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Impact of Napoleon´s Invasion of the Ottoman Empire
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21 Oct 2010 Thu 03:38 am |
I probably should have asked this in a different way... Can anyone who has lived in Turkey or has grown up elsewhere but considers themselves Turkish give me their perspective on the impact or direction of Turkey as it historically pertains to the decline of the Ottoman Empire and/or Napoleonic/French relations/greed? I´m really interested in a Turkish opinion, or several, or that matter. I know this deviates from linguistic discussion, but I don´t know how else to isolate modern Turkish perspective or consensus on an area of Turkish history. Thank you your help, everyone.
Edited (10/21/2010) by Vania Melamed
[Previously ambiguous verbiage.]
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22 Oct 2010 Fri 12:31 pm |
I probably should have asked this in a different way... Can anyone who has lived in Turkey or has grown up elsewhere but considers themselves Turkish give me their perspective on the impact or direction of Turkey as it historically pertains to the decline of the Ottoman Empire and/or Napoleonic/French relations/greed? I´m really interested in a Turkish opinion, or several, or that matter. I know this deviates from linguistic discussion, but I don´t know how else to isolate modern Turkish perspective or consensus on an area of Turkish history. Thank you your help, everyone.
I´m also interested to hear the answer to this question Anyone?
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22 Oct 2010 Fri 02:57 pm |
I probably should have asked this in a different way... Can anyone who has lived in Turkey or has grown up elsewhere but considers themselves Turkish give me their perspective on the impact or direction of Turkey as it historically pertains to the decline of the Ottoman Empire and/or Napoleonic/French relations/greed? I´m really interested in a Turkish opinion, or several, or that matter. I know this deviates from linguistic discussion, but I don´t know how else to isolate modern Turkish perspective or consensus on an area of Turkish history. Thank you your help, everyone.
I am Turkish and cant say that I ve quite understood your question. I could try to give my opinion if you could elaborate the question a bit more.
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22 Oct 2010 Fri 03:31 pm |
Napoleon had a campaign to Egypt to establish French supremacy in Eastern Mediterrenean. He had little success to begin with, but was eventually engaged by and beaten by Cezzar Ahmet Pasha of Ottoman Empire around the year 1800.
Napoleon had to face another misfortune about the same time; his invading navy was totally destroyed by Admiral Nelson (of British Navy), right in front of Egypt.
Treaty of Al-Aresh, signed in 1801, was the end of French campaign..The French returned home and never dared go into open seas again...until the Gallipoli Campaign in 1915.
What happened to certain major heavy warships of French Navy in Gallipoli is another sad story.
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22 Oct 2010 Fri 06:57 pm |
Napoleon had a campaign to Egypt to establish French supremacy in Eastern Mediterrenean. He had little success to begin with, but was eventually engaged by and beaten by Cezzar Ahmet Pasha of Ottoman Empire around the year 1800.
Napoleon had to face another misfortune about the same time; his invading navy was totally destroyed by Admiral Nelson (of British Navy), right in front of Egypt.
Treaty of Al-Aresh, signed in 1801, was the end of French campaign..The French returned home and never dared go into open seas again...until the Gallipoli Campaign in 1915.
What happened to certain major heavy warships of French Navy in Gallipoli is another sad story.
This is one part of story. Another part is that the Russo-Turkish War, 1806–1812, broke out against the background of the Napoleonic wars. It resulted in the Treaty of Bucharest, signed by Kutuzov on May, 28, according to which the Turks ceded Bessarabia to Russia (although that land belonged to their vassal Moldavia, which they were supposed to protect). The treaty was approved by Alexander I of Russia on June 11, just thirteen days before Napoleon´s invasion of Russia commenced. If there was no danger of Napoleon’s attack, Russia would continue the war against Turks, since they had advantage. But they was forced to move their Southern Army to Prussian border so they had to sign the treaty with Turks under conditions not very favorable for them.
(Talking about destroying of Napoleon’s invading navy by Admiral Nelson, this time I won’t mention the destroying of the Ottoman Fleet by Russian Navy under Dmitry Senyavin in the Battle of the Dardanelles and Battle of Athos. – Sorry, I could’t resist teasing you a bit )
Btw, I think that Vania´s question was: did Ottoman Empire something get or something loose thank to Napoleon´s wars.
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22 Oct 2010 Fri 07:58 pm |
Ottomans, at the tıme, was on a losıng trend (roughly 100 more years to their total collapse) ; Napoleon was not big enough to make a difference, one way or the other; he would not have dreamt of approching Turks on Turks´ heydays, anyway.
During Gallipoli, when Turkish Army was busy defending Dardannels (West Turkia, 1915) , the French tried provoking Anatolian Armenians (in South East Turkia) to an uprising against the Ottomans. When Ottomans spared 3 soldiers on sick leave and sent them over to sort out the rebellion, French immediately took the first bus home and abandoned Armenians to a terrible defeat.
Nowadays, the French are busy building shiny Armenian Military Cemeteries across France and they organize daily commemorations for those Armenians who died in Anatolia around 1915. Some Armenians still think the French were very good friends.
Note; Never heard of a Russian naval victory around Dardannels. I will look it up !
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza_%281538%29 if you are interested in Naval Battles
Edited (10/22/2010) by AlphaF
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22 Oct 2010 Fri 08:19 pm |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza_(1538)
Corrected link for AlphaF post above
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Slavica,
Neither "Dimitry Senyavin Dardannels" nor "Dimitry Senyavin Ottomans" yields any result in a GOOGLE search.
Do you have any links to the naval battle, you mentioned?
Edited (10/22/2010) by AlphaF
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23 Oct 2010 Sat 02:23 am |
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza_(1538) if you are interested in Naval Battles
I can´t say I am much interested in naval battles, except I used, for some time, to study Russian history, which is, as you probably know, full of wars and all kinds of battles, including naval ones. Anyway, the battle you´ve mentioned seems interesting, and also pretty important for Ottoman Empire – bravo!
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23 Oct 2010 Sat 02:52 am |
Slavica,
Neither "Dimitry Senyavin Dardannels" nor "Dimitry Senyavin Ottomans" yields any result in a GOOGLE search.
Do you have any links to the naval battle, you mentioned?
You probably couldn´t find any links to the Battle of the Dardanelles because the next battle, the Battle of Athos, was of much bigger importance. Here are the links:
Battle of the Dardanelles
Battle of Athos
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23 Oct 2010 Sat 03:12 am |
Back to the topic - so you think Napoleon´s wars didn´t have significant impact to decline (or rise) of the Ottoman Empire?
Edited (10/25/2010) by slavica
[It was out of topic...]
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