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Noun states and multiple verbs
1.       bod
5999 posts
 30 Jan 2011 Sun 03:34 pm

When more than one verb is used in a sentence, which one provides the noun state for the noun?   For example, I am impressed that you like to read books.  Here there are three verbs:  to be impressed which takes the /da/ state, to like which takes the /dan/ state and to read which takes the /ı/ state.

Is this correct?

Kitaplar-ı okumak hoşlanman-da yer edilirim.

Kitaplar takes an /ı/ suffix from okumak.
Okumak doesn´t take a suffix as it is a verb.
Hoşlanman takes /da/ suffix from yer etmek as it is a verbal noun.

Or would it be better to keep hoşlanmak as a verb and not add a noun state suffix?

Kitaplar-ı okumak hoşlanıyorsun yer edilirim.

2.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 30 Jan 2011 Sun 05:42 pm

 

Quoting bod

When more than one verb is used in a sentence, which one provides the noun state for the noun?   For example, I am impressed that you like to read books.  Here there are three verbs:  to be impressed which takes the /da/ state, to like which takes the /dan/ state and to read which takes the /ı/ state.

Is this correct?

Kitaplar-ı okumak hoşlanman-da yer edilirim.

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanmandan etkilendim. 

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanman beni etkiledi. 

Kitaplar takes an /ı/ suffix from okumak.
Okumak doesn´t take a suffix as it is a verb.
Hoşlanman takes /da/ suffix from yer etmek as it is a verbal noun.

Or would it be better to keep hoşlanmak as a verb and not add a noun state suffix?

Kitaplar-ı okumak hoşlanıyorsun yer edilirim.

 

 

3.       bod
5999 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 04:07 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanmandan etkilendim. 

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanman beni etkiledi.

 

 

So okumak-tan gets the noun state from hoşlanmak which takes the /dan/ state.   But in the first version where does the suffix on hoşlanman-dan come from?

And why does kitap not have any state suffix as all the verbs require a state?

Sorry but I´m getting rather confused by this

4.       si++
3785 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 09:51 am

 

Quoting bod

 

 

So okumak-tan gets the noun state from hoşlanmak which takes the /dan/ state.   But in the first version where does the suffix on hoşlanman-dan come from?

And why does kitap not have any state suffix as all the verbs require a state?

Sorry but I´m getting rather confused by this

 

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanmandan etkilendim.

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanman beni etkiledi.

 

1st: The verb is "Etkilenmek" which is in passive voice and is used with -dan/-den.

It´s a (S)+O+V construction. Object is a noun clause:

Noun=Kitap okumaktan hoşlanman ( =Your liking to read )

So it´s like:

I am impressed by your liking to read.

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanmandan etkilendim.

 

2nd: The verb is "Etkilemek" which is in active voice and is used with -i.

This time the same noun clause above is in the subject position and me is the object.

So it´s like:

 Your liking to read impressed me.

Kitap okumaktan hoşlanman beni etkiledi.

 

 .

 

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5.       bod
5999 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 01:40 pm

 

Quoting si++

The verb is "Etkilenmek" which is in passive voice and is used with -dan/-den.

 

Thanks for the great explanation.  I think I understand but also think that it is too omplex for me at the moment so I won´t be able to apply it correctly......but one day!!!

However, how do we know that "etkilenmek" takes /dan/ ??? 

 

6.       Henry
2604 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 02:54 pm

Often the dictionaries will give you a clue -

Like

/dan hoşlanmak = to enjoy, to get enjoyment from something

/dan korkmak = to fear, to be afraid of something, to have fear of/from something

/dan çıkartmak = to remove something from ....

7.       bod
5999 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 04:58 pm

 

Quoting Henry

Often the dictionaries will give you a clue -

 

Unfortunately in this case the dictionary doesn´t help

8.       Henry
2604 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 09:47 pm

I use the dictionary here, which I agree didn´t give the ´dan´ object suffix clue, and tureng.com which did indicate the possibility. Smile

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