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08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:06 pm |
You said you cant comment on the christians living in egypt, because you haven´t read about it,also you havent live there,therefor i believe you shouldnt come up with such comment too !
On what base ?
Theoretically ?
Ok,theoretically let me give you some clue
You live in USA,does the dominant Christian group is exerting some pressure on the the religious minorities for example the jewish one ?
Even if the jewish claim there are some....would you believe there are ?! They have both power and money...yes ?!
Canli, why are you taking this as an attack? It wasn´t meant that way. Historically, religious majorities HAVE oppressed religious minorities in many instances. Historically, any dominant group have oppressed the non-dominant groups, whether it comes to religion, ethnicity, skin color... etc. That´s why I can make this claim. And although you don´t believe that there is any religious oppression of Christians in Egypt, (although as I said, I haven´t studied this topic in depth) I did encounter articles that suggested otherwise. (I didn´t say that that´s how it is, I said that it´s possible).
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:46 pm |
I´m not Catwoman, but yes, I would believe those claims. The idea that all jews have power and money is a very ridiculous prejudice. They don´t work all in the diamond industry (or other well paid jobs)!
Well,just google ´the influence of the jewish lobby in the american politics´ and google ´the influence of the jewish lobby in the american economy´ or ´the influence of the jewish lobby in the american economy´
Will you still think its prejudice ?!
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:47 pm |
Canli, why are you taking this as an attack? It wasn´t meant that way. Historically, religious majorities HAVE oppressed religious minorities in many instances. Historically, any dominant group have oppressed the non-dominant groups, whether it comes to religion, ethnicity, skin color... etc. That´s why I can make this claim. And although you don´t believe that there is any religious oppression of Christians in Egypt, (although as I said, I haven´t studied this topic in depth) I did encounter articles that suggested otherwise. (I didn´t say that that´s how it is, I said that it´s possible).
I know thos articles, ive seen them and read a ton about them, like for example, this si the most talked about thing, that christians are nt allowed to make repairs in their church without like asking the goverment (i have no idea what its called), but really, i know tahts opression but i think it changed now, the pressure is a lot less, and i think that approval from the goverment is only needed when it comes to large, historical or just big churches, and , ppl make you feel that the churches in egypt are loike small huts or smthgh, well let me tell you, since of course there are more mosques than churches, churches are VERY elaborate! I sware theyer so beautiful, and they retiremnt homes extended to them and gardens and stuff and they have a lot of activities, and believe me, dont tell me how do you know taht the churches are elaborate? Ive been in a lot of churches here believe me, alot of our friends (family friends) thyre like daughter or sons got married and we went to the wedding and stuff, I sware its o beautiful in there and in school sometimes we have field trips and stuff, like for example once we went to this church to see how pipe organs work and stuff, I sware The pipes were so huge tyeyw ent all the way to the cieling! Anyway, if you check out the list of egytps richest ppl, tyre all christians, and im not making a generalization here, like Trudy (i think ) said that jews own all teh stores and get paid more...etc...... i dont realy like those generalizations. And i know there were also a couple of incidents where there was like attcks on churches and stuff, but these things are done by crazy extremists! Other than that the rest of the population live peacefully together, and they say that os of these things are not acrually done by extremists (lol, ur gonna laugh at this!!!) they say that the US goverment is doing this to make there be a difference between muslims and christians to amke the fight so that they can interfere in our business, because of egypts startegic geographic place by palestine and israel and between africa and asia and have control of teh suez canal isnt just amazing how ppl think??/ anyway u see now all the movies in the cinema and all the actors are coming and saying a word blah blah blah we should stick together wree one blah blah blah u know actors!! Anyway, i ave nthg left to say which is quite surprising even for me lol, so......ermmmm.
Bye!
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:53 pm |
Well,just google ´the influence of the jewish lobby in the american politics´ and google ´the influence of the jewish lobby in the american economy´ or ´the influence of the jewish lobby in the american economy´
Will you still think its prejudice ?!
Googling doesn´t say or prove anything. It´s a matter of choosing words. If I choose the correct word order and google on words in your sentence but replace them with islamic or muslim, I get hundreds of hits as well. Does that prove the enormous influence of the Islam in the US? And come on, we all know the prejudices about Jews and money that exists.
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:54 pm |
Canli, why are you taking this as an attack? It wasn´t meant that way. Historically, religious majorities HAVE oppressed religious minorities in many instances. Historically, any dominant group have oppressed the non-dominant groups, whether it comes to religion, ethnicity, skin color... etc. That´s why I can make this claim. And although you don´t believe that there is any religious oppression of Christians in Egypt, (although as I said, I haven´t studied this topic in depth) I did encounter articles that suggested otherwise. (I didn´t say that that´s how it is, I said that it´s possible).
Well,not as attack actually,but if you said you didnt read about it,and you also havent been to Egypt,so how would you form an opinion about it .
Historically wise maybe,but Christian in Egypt,are Egyptians,they are not immigrates who seek their rights or something
And they have a very good economical situations here for their %10 or %15,better than muslims
And as you know,money is power .
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:56 pm |
Well,not as attack actually,but if you said you didnt read about it,and you also havent been to Egypt,so how would you form an opinion about it .
If people only are allowed to form an opinion about a subject if they have been in a country or read (many) books / articles about it then we can close all forums, including TLC.
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 06:04 pm |
Fantastic! A very good point!
If people only are allowed to form an opinion about a subject if they have been in a country or read (many) books / articles about it then we can close all forums, including TLC.
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 06:08 pm |
Googling doesn´t say or prove anything. It´s a matter of choosing words. If I choose the correct word order and google on words in your sentence but replace them with islamic or muslim, I get hundreds of hits as well. Does that prove the enormous influence of the Islam in the US? And come on, we all know the prejudices about Jews and money that exists.
Trudy,but those are facts in the american society,they played a HUGE rule in the american politics and still do.
İts something we live it every day
And they do possess many of the largest companies there.
İf you google muslims,or İslam,you will have many hits of course,needless to say why !
Ps:im off to prepare some soft drinks for İftar.
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 06:13 pm |
If people only are allowed to form an opinion about a subject if they have been in a country or read (many) books / articles about it then we can close all forums, including TLC.
İ didnt say,not allowed,i said how !
Actually,then how do you form your opinions then ?
İf i havent been to the country,either i see it ´media´, read about it...then form an opinion..otherwise how do you form opinions ?!
Now i really must go,just an hour left ,see ya later guys
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 06:13 pm |
I´m not Catwoman, but yes, I would believe those claims. The idea that all jews have power and money is a very ridiculous prejudice. They don´t work all in the diamond industry (or other well paid jobs)!
This reminds me of a discussion I had with Turkish friends after we had our iftar-meal altogether at a friends place. It was basically ´me and Kadir <--> the other 6 people´. One of them thought that most of the Armenians in istanbul have the better jobs, higher positions, was a proof that there could have been no such thing as ´genocide´ (we werent even discussing whether it was or not, we were discussing the word ´genocide´ in general), because ´look, there are still many armenians, and they have the better paid jobs too!´.
Anyway this just came to my mind. And I agree with you Trudy.
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08 Sep 2008 Mon 06:16 pm |
Trudy,but those are facts in the american society,they played a HUGE rule in the american politics and still do.
İts something we live it every day
And they do possess many of the largest companies there.
İf you google muslims,or İslam,you will have many hits of course,needless to say why !
You are referring to 9/11? Well, I was NOT. I said ´your sentence´ meaning using the words influence, lobby, islamic, American etc all together in one search. That number of hits will surprise you!
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