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Turkey downgrades ties with Israel
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10.       Abla
3648 posts
 06 Sep 2011 Tue 08:30 pm

No one can declare a war to Israel. There is no country more powerful on earth. It would be a suicide.

But I like the tone there is in Turkey´s recent foreign policy. Standing against Israel in this important matter is well noticed especially because of the long peaceful relationships. Arab countries are weak now because of their own problems and the rest of the world tries to turn their eyes to the opposite direction every time Israel breaks the limits of international justice.

Another thing you should be proud of and which I couldn´t help noticing is the humanitarian responsibility that Turkey carries in the area. Turkey opens its borders to Syrian refugees while EU is watching how people escaping from North Africa drown in Lampedusa waters.

Of course there is always more to it than public can see but it´s good to look at the good side of it. This clip is from one year ago but I guess it still holds:

Quote: Today´s Zaman 13 September 2010

The most assertive remarks concerning Turkey’s growing influence on the global stage came from Finnish Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb, who hailed the EU candidate country as “one of the top five countries in the world today” with respect to foreign policy. “Arguably, today Turkey is more influential in the world than any of our member states together or separately,” Stubb said Saturday. “It has a great influence in the Middle East, in the African Horn in the Persian Gulf, in Iran. It’s a truly global player, and we need to work together with Turkey right now on foreign and security policy.”

 



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11.       lemon
1374 posts
 08 Sep 2011 Thu 02:38 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

If someone bullies you, you do not normally react by self-criticism. The developments in the recent days are all serious affairs that have resulted in implications to the lifes of millions of people on both sides and more seems to be in store for the future.

Israel has adopted a patriotic tone since the beginning. No sane person would tolerate this. We have to show a reaction. Elsewhere, weaker nations lose their complete freedoms and welfare as a result of this show of machoism. It seems that the UN endorses this. All I am saying is this will not change anything. I am not yearning for a war but I am not saying a war never becomes necessary either.

 

I wasnt inviting you for a self-criticism. What I read in your post was a desire for vendetta. If you respond violent to violence, then there is no end to it.

I am wondering why would you be unhappy if Israel developes a patriotic tone? Why it is Ok for Turks to insanely be patriotic to the marrow of their bones and its not Ok for other nations?

Well, I think it is easy to ignite any conflict, but how to cope with consequences?

Weaker nations? Freedoms?... come on, vineyards.

UN? was created for the needs of the Elite to cover the illegal and dirty deeds so people like us believed that there is justice, democracy, peace and the honest moves of the nations united for the false sake of humanity. You seem to know and understand all this but still daydreaming.

 

12.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 Sep 2011 Sat 12:39 am

Lemon, international relations are organized around the principles like reciprocity, mutuality with measures, counter measures and retaliation being the universally expected outcomes when either party violates the rights of the other. 

The Turkish government made her stance clear by saying Turkey would respect all aforementioned principles and will act in line with a state tradition that does not allow acts like intervening vessels in international waters. Turkey demands an official apology and compensation to be paid to the relatives of the victims of the flotilla incident.

I know a huge part of this is a political show with targets not necessarily confined to the scope of this singular incident.

Consider this in the framework of this example: Suppose that I am labeled as a thief but I just brag about it without ever stealing anything from anyone. One day, another thief breaks into my house and gets caught in action when I turn on the lights. Will he just walk away with what he has just done? People must only pay for their deeds. Putting aside the manners and the outlook, Israel is the party that took action and they must now bear the consequences.



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