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Şeref vs Namus
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09 Sep 2011 Fri 01:50 pm |
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What is the difference between the words şeref and namus?
What do they mean exactly?
Can you please use them in a sentence?
Thanks.
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09 Sep 2011 Fri 02:11 pm |
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What is the difference between the words şeref and namus?
What do they mean exactly?
Can you please use them in a sentence?
Thanks.
Şeref means honour.
For namus there is a page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namus
Sentence: Namus, şeref, onur hepsi güzel ama en önemlisi helal alın teri.
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09 Sep 2011 Fri 02:28 pm |
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What is the difference between the words şeref and namus?
What do they mean exactly?
Can you please use them in a sentence?
Thanks.
Both words mean honour, but namus also has the additional meaning of a woman´s virtue or chastity from what I can gather.
"Namus derdi başka bir derde benzemiyor." or "Namus derdi hiç bir derde benzemiyor." can be translated as follows:
"A honor problem is not like any other problem."
Translator´s Note:
Usually some problematic people make statements like this. "Namus" in this particular phrase not only refers to somebody´s own honor but moreover it refers to the honor of people that person is responsible for. In Eastern part of the country we have some problems with non-Turkish ethnical backgrounds. People are killing their female relatives according some traditions related to honor e.g sex usually as it is understood by them. They think a female deserves to be killed for having sexual relationship with somebody without marriage. Another reason for honor killings are divorces. Of course our government is fighting with them but sentences are not enough to prevent honor crimes. Usually the older male members of the family let it done by a younger boy to reduce the jail sentence.
Usually it is the kind of people who are ready to commit a honor crime that would say such a statement that you quoted. It is also usually the most unethical and extremist people who start talking a lot about honor. Honor doesn´t need to be mentioned aloud. People will see it in your actions if it is there.
Şerefe and Şerefinize are both used as ´toasts´, like cheers, and literally means ´to your honour´ 
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09 Sep 2011 Fri 04:07 pm |
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Is namus a plus word or minus word in Turkish culture? In your example, si++, it is shown in a positive context but in the links that you give it is connected to things like suppression, tyranny and honour killing. (I do understand these are two completely different contexts but still I ask.)
Namus as a negative concept is often connected to Islamic countries and of course for a reason but I think this is a serious generalisation also. My country (which I am not going to mention here again) is one of the most violent in Europe, and a typical murder here (if it´s not one drunkard hitting another with an empty bottle) is a forsaken husband taking an axe and paying a visit to his ex wife and her new man plus the ex mother-in-law as a bonus. This looks to me like a pure honour killing also.
I have paid attention to cultural differences also when it comes to jealousy. I understand in eastern cultures (sorry, the word is not very clear) jealousy is considered an inseparable part of love but in the west it´s a shame and a mark of a bad self-esteem. For those people who cannot live with this for cultural or other reasons it can lead into personal tragedies.
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09 Sep 2011 Fri 04:25 pm |
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Is namus a plus word or minus word in Turkish culture? In your example, si++, it is shown in a positive context but in the links that you give it is connected to things like suppression, tyranny and honour killing. (I do understand these are two completely different contexts but still I ask.)
Namus as a negative concept is often connected to Islamic countries and of course for a reason but I think this is a serious generalisation also. My country (which I am not going to mention here again) is one of the most violent in Europe, and a typical murder here (if it´s not one drunkard hitting another with an empty bottle) is a forsaken husband taking an axe and paying a visit to his ex wife and her new man plus the ex mother-in-law as a bonus. This looks to me like a pure honour killing also.
I have paid attention to cultural differences also when it comes to jealousy. I understand in eastern cultures (sorry, the word is not very clear) jealousy is considered an inseparable part of love but in the west it´s a shame and a mark of a bad self-esteem. For those people who cannot live with this for cultural or other reasons it can lead into personal tragedies.
My opinion:
Namus is positive
Namussuz is negative, thus a reason for axing in some places...
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09 Sep 2011 Fri 04:27 pm |
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Is namus a plus word or minus word in Turkish culture? In your example, si++, it is shown in a positive context but in the links that you give it is connected to things like suppression, tyranny and honour killing. (I do understand these are two completely different contexts but still I ask.)
Namus as a negative concept is often connected to Islamic countries and of course for a reason but I think this is a serious generalisation also. My country (which I am not going to mention here again) is one of the most violent in Europe, and a typical murder here (if it´s not one drunkard hitting another with an empty bottle) is a forsaken husband taking an axe and paying a visit to his ex wife and her new man plus the ex mother-in-law as a bonus. This looks to me like a pure honour killing also.
I have paid attention to cultural differences also when it comes to jealousy. I understand in eastern cultures (sorry, the word is not very clear) jealousy is considered an inseparable part of love but in the west it´s a shame and a mark of a bad self-esteem. For those people who cannot live with this for cultural or other reasons it can lead into personal tragedies.
Namus is plus word.
So "namuslu" (the one having "namus") is a good guy, and "namussuz" (the one with no "namus") is bad guy according to the common belief.
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