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Ummak
1.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Sep 2011 Sun 12:10 pm

I find two uses of ummak ´to hope´. The first is a participle structure:

         Beğeneceğinizi umuyorum.

This is how I expected it. But very often the constuction is more simple:

         Umarım tekrar görüşürüz.

         Umarım iyisindir ve mutlusundur.

         Hiç mutlu olmayacaksın umarım.

Is it possible to use the participle structure in these last examples so that they are still grammatical? Does the meaning change? What if I say

         Hiç mutlu olmayacaksını umarım

supposing that the future form is a participle which takes the normal case ending?

2.       si++
3785 posts
 11 Sep 2011 Sun 12:23 pm

 

Quoting Abla

I find two uses of ummak ´to hope´. The first is a participle structure:

         Beğeneceğinizi umuyorum.

This is how I expected it. But very often the constuction is more simple:

         Umarım (ki) tekrar görüşürüz. (This is a Persian ki sentence with ki dropped itself)

         Umarım (ki) iyisindir ve mutlusundur. (ditto)

         Hiç mutlu olmayacaksın, (onu) umarım. (and this is 2 sentences without using any conjuction)

Is it possible to use the participle structure in these last examples so that they are still grammatical? Does the meaning change? What if I say

         Hiç mutlu olmayacaksını umarım (nope, it´s not possible)

But you can say: "Hiç mutlu olmayacağını umarım." (and it would be the natural way of saying it in Turkish.)

supposing that the future form is a participle which takes the normal case ending?

 

 



Edited (9/11/2011) by si++

3.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Sep 2011 Sun 12:32 pm

Yes, of course, the personal ending has to be changed into a possessive suffix. I should have noticed it. Thank you, si++.

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