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Culture in Turkey
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 08:55 am |
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Hi Everyone,
Pardon me for my wrong usage of words. Sorry if it cause any unhappiness. 
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| 11. |
14 Jun 2006 Wed 12:10 pm |
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Quoting Aenigma: I have muslim girl friends and we have discussed this. Some of them cover themselves from head to foot while others just wear a headscarf. The general opinion, from my (English) muslim friends was that it had nothing to do with oppression but was entirely an expression of the deepness of their faith.  |
Well then you have lucky friends.. But I know a few Muslim girls who live in Rotterdam and they go to school all covered and without make-up. But they always go 30 minutes before the first class starts, so that they can take their scarfs off and put on some make-up. They leave school later to take the make up off and cover themselves again. They fear their father. I don't think that would be an expression of the deepness of their faith. I always wonder if their fathers are really so cruel, or if they just don't know how to handle in a culture that is so entirely different than theirs. With the muslimpopulation in Holland we can say that they either embrace us, or reject us. I think that rejecting the Dutch culture, though living here, makes the whole family feel torn
But the point is that I do think this is not only about religion, mostly about lifestyle. And lifestyles ofcourse get influenced by religious beliefs, but we must not forget to distinguish them. I think if you go live in Turkey you must be able to adapt the traditions/lifestyle of the place you live in, in order to respect the people that live there, but you don't have to change your faith for it. After all, if you enter a mosque in Türkiye or a church in Italy while sightseeing, and you cover your shoulders, you do this out of respect for the people and not because you changed your beliefs.
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 12:30 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: In fact, being covered is not the first/most important thing of Islam. |
who told u that !!!!! 
hair ove in islam is order of God same as the pray .
to expalin , for example: if your boss at work ask u to do 2 reports and u only did one only one said the other is not important , so the boss will bunish u ..
thats the hair cover , order of GOd,
so how could any one say about order of god that its not important !!!!!!
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 12:43 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I think this is one of the wrongest images of dominantly muslum countries, all the women are covered, and are not free. Covering yourself is about your choice, well the radical islamists don't like this, but it's so in Türkiye. |
mltum, who told u that (all the women are covered, and are not free. )
see what all covered girls say :
As i get ready to go into the outside world
I look in the mirror
What do i see?
My beauty
Then i slip on the hijab
why?
I cover my outer beauty
So you take a look at my inner beauty
I step into the cruel and unjust society
of this "free" country
i look at avoiding eyes and stares
i hear whispering from every side
i think to myself "i am not here to please everyone"
i am here to please Allah
then i hold my head with the hijab high
Allah has chosen this jihad for me to overcome
yes this is my jihad
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 01:27 pm |
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Quoting yusuf : Quoting caliptrix: In fact, being covered is not the first/most important thing of Islam. |
who told u that !!!!!
hair ove in islam is order of God same as the pray .
to expalin , for example: if your boss at work ask u to do 2 reports and u only did one only one said the other is not important , so the boss will bunish u ..
thats the hair cover , order of GOd,
so how could any one say about order of god that its not important !!!!!! |
Can you say "A girl who is not covered, is a girl who doesnt care religious" or "..is a girl who doesnt care God"? Is it so easy? Also i didn't say "not important"! Sure it is very important!
But believe me, everyone has a different Islam in their mind, and there are too many people who never accept that to cover yout hair is the biggest order of God. I am so sorry.
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 01:55 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: everyone has a different Islam in their mind, and there are too many people who never accept that to cover yout hair is the biggest order of God. I am so sorry. |
I completely agree with Caliptrix. Not only about Islam. The same goes for any other religion. Every religion has it's own orders and demands. But God is not something you can find in imposing buildings or in out of date writings. God is inside you. Has no name and no identity. You call him Allah, we call him Theos, others call him Buddha. No matter how we call him, he is there for all of us. And God can't be revengeful. He is not a boss to fire you. He is someone to protect and save you.
You can visit the mosque often, cover all your body and in the same time lie, cheat and deceive. Or fast and wish for a big plate of kokorec at the same time. Or walk around like a ninja, with those head covers, but making the worst thoughts ever. What does that make you? A good muslim?
And Yusuf, do you know something? There is a small detail missing, which proves to be the most important one: the eyes are not covered. And there is nothing more seductive on a woman, than the look in her eyes.
I was at Antalya, 2 years ago. There was a young lady, covered from head to toes. Her eyes were making love with every man there was in that restaurant. I was shocked. I had never seen such a desire in human eyes before...
Think about it a little 
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 02:56 pm |
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Tell me yusuf ,
When one of your fellow countrymen sees a completely covered lady in the front seat of a car driven by a totally strange gentleman, how can he be sure the covered lady is not his own wife or sister?
Masks are rarely worn for honorable purposes. I lived in hijab wearing countries. I know the finer points of life there.. 
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 08:02 pm |
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To be honest, I like to see the covered women on the Turkish roads. It is so traditional! I have also seen a little girl covered but she seems to had no problem, playing with uncovered kids near Golden horn. If a woman likes to be covered, then what is the problem? On the other hand, the god is in us, we can adore him as we wish, with no labels. In fact, any time I am outside a cami, I feel to make my cross, as being in a church!
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14 Jun 2006 Wed 08:52 pm |
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Quoting sophie: But God is not something you can find in imposing buildings or in out of date writings. God is inside you. Has no name and no identity. You call him Allah, we call him Theos, others call him Buddha. |
I call him Bod 
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15 Jun 2006 Thu 11:28 am |
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Quoting sophie:
And Yusuf, do you know something? There is a small detail missing, which proves to be the most important one: the eyes are not covered. And there is nothing more seductive on a woman, than the look in her eyes.
I was at Antalya, 2 years ago. There was a young lady, covered from head to toes. Her eyes were making love with every man there was in that restaurant. I was shocked. I had never seen such a desire in human eyes before...
Think about it a little
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dear sophie ,, what i want tell in that hejab is amean not at target it self,,,,
its target for peae u may ask how?
i will say , any man could agree that another man share him in any thing exept his (girl) ,
and can feel that from love words for example, when some one say to his girl friend (u r mine) ,( u r for me only), and i notie this more in turk more than any other nation, and if u think more , u will find that islam tried to firm this feeling by the hair cover......
so man with his girl wearing hair vr of ouse feel that his girl is for him only ,and that is realy a great feeling .....
and for all friends here who wants to know how islam respect woman , and how is Women's Position in Islam just read this artiClewomans position in islam
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15 Jun 2006 Thu 11:59 am |
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Quoting yusuf : i will say , any man could agree that another man share him in any thing exept his (girl) ,
and can feel that from love words for example, when some one say to his girl friend (u r mine) ,( u r for me only), and i notie this more in turk more than any other nation, and if u think more , u will find that islam tried to firm this feeling by the hair cover......
so man with his girl wearing hair vr of ouse feel that his girl is for him only ,and that is realy a great feeling ..... |
Yusuf dear,
When will you understand that no matter if you cover a woman's head or if you tie her up in the basement, she will always find a way to do what she wants?
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