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OLD ABANDONED HOUSE IN ASSIA MINOR
1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Apr 2012 Fri 10:16 am

Following is the comment I made regarding one of the pictures posted in our friend Sophie´s profile. Those interested can check Sophie´s profile, see the picture of the old abandoned house in Assia Minor, read related comments by Sophie and others and understand why I thought this additional information was necessary.

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/picture_7264?uid=2230

 

"The term "disaster of Assia Minor" strikes me as very odd.

In 1922, Ottoman Empire was in shambles (WW I), and Assia Minor was being invaded by Western powers. The small but cocky state of Greece was persuaded that it was time to teach Turks a lesson and the Greek Army was pushed (persuaded !) into invading Western Anatolia. Those resident Ottoman subjects of Greek ethnic origin - living totally free in the Ottoman peace provided to them for centuries - not only rejoiced the invasion, but actually took up arms to join their fellow Greeks and committed unbeliavable atrocities against resident Moslem villages.

About the same time, Turkish war of independence lead by Atatürk started. Greek Army was cleaned right out of Assia Minor. While running away to save their lives at full speed, the Greek Army never even bothered to consider the fate of their Anatolian collaborators.

After the war of Independence, borders of the new Turkish Republic were secured, and natives of the occupied lands started returning home. But atrocities of the local etnic Greeks - while Greek Army was the invading force - were not forgotten by other natives. That a revenge was on its way was obvious. Young Turkish Republic was in a state of exhaustion after years of war and lacked the strength to protect the Anatolian Greeks that the Greek Army left behind.

Atatürk proposed an exchange of Christian Greeks left in Turkey with Moslem Turks in Greece. The proposal was mutually accepted, and performed. İt is true that people suffered during the exchange; it is equally true however, that many lives were saved through this exchange.

Few years later Greek President Venizelos officially nominated Atatürk for Nobel Peace Prize, for Atatürk´s efforts to save Greek lives through an organized exchange program.

All above can be verified though information available on INTERNET.

One last word; some of my smarter and pragmatic Greek friends now think it was a mistake for Greece to severe their ties with the Ottoman Empire in the first place. Current situation in EU makes me think my friends may be right."



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Edited (4/6/2012) by AlphaF
Edited (4/6/2012) by AlphaF

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2.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Apr 2012 Fri 01:43 pm

Those who read my post above can perhaps notice the similarity between,

1. The way Greeks were lured to invade Assia Minor in 1922. and then abandoned to face the Turks fighting for their own freedom and independence,

2. The way Republic of Turkey is being encouraged and lured into attacking neighbor Syria today, as if Turkia is the only responsible party to bring order to Syria. Why cant United Nations put their  joint act together, if any action is necessary?

Who are these manipulators, for god´s sake ?

I hope Turkia does not take the bait.

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3.       Henry
2604 posts
 06 Apr 2012 Fri 01:58 pm

At least the European Union is not trying to lure Turkey into joining it. {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile} 

I think Turkey is doing nicely without this membership. Do Turks feel the same way?

Looking at the photos from Gökceada brought back memories. It is still a part of Turkey not developed and changed much by tourism. I enjoyed touring around parts of this interesting island.

4.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Apr 2012 Fri 02:03 pm

I would like Turkia to keep out of EU myself.

I can not say that this is the generally popular idea in Turkia.

5.       Abla
3647 posts
 06 Apr 2012 Fri 05:06 pm

Well, local conflicts in problematic areas always look better than a straight cross Atlantic intervention. As the Arab League has showed its inability in Syria question which doesn´t surprise me the lot is about to fall over Turkey.

 

Somehow we are responsible for our neighbors. At the moment Turkey carries this responsibility by welcoming the people who are crossing the border to save their lives.

 

The question whether your country should join EU or not is too big to be solved by the means of democracy. Most people in every country don´t understand anything about  international relations. Those who have political and economical expertese should decide and that´s what is eventually going to happen in Turkey, too. A referendum would be ok, because it gives ordinary people the feeling that they have made a decision and because organizing a huge event like that will inevitably increase people´s knowledge about the issue. But only a very small group of people is actually qualified enough to discuss the question even.

 

EU probably needs Turkey more than Turkey needs Europe. I mean even if you don´t like us we like you.

 

Come on, if you joined NATO what´s wrong with EU?

 



Edited (4/6/2012) by Abla

6.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Apr 2012 Sat 12:18 am

An informative post, thank yhou Alpha. I am curious why the buildings are still abandoned. Can´t they be sold? If there was a population transfer, why not release ownership to the buildings too?

Quoting AlphaF

Following is the comment I made regarding one of the pictures posted in our friend Sophie´s profile. Those interested can check Sophie´s profile, see the picture of the old abandoned house in Assia Minor, read related comments by Sophie and others and understand why I thought this additional information was necessary.

 http://www.turkishclass.com/picture_7264?uid=2230

 

 

7.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Apr 2012 Sat 12:22 am

I have been concerned about this matter. I hope Turkey stays safe, and out of it.

However, with the thousands of Syrian refugees now in Turkey, doesn´t it strain resources?

Then, there is also the matter of the old Turkish-Syrian dispute. I remember talking with a young man from Syria some years ago, who told me Hatay was Syrian. Now, when I read about all the refugees, that comes to mind.

Sigh....how I wish for peace.

Quoting AlphaF

Those who read my post above can perhaps notice the similarity between,

1. The way Greeks were lured to invade Assia Minor in 1922. and then abandoned to face the Turks fighting for their own freedom and independence,

2. The way Republic of Turkey is being encouraged and lured into attacking neighbor Syria today, as if Turkia is the only responsible party to bring order to Syria. Why cant United Nations put their  joint act together, if any action is necessary?

Who are these manipulators, for god´s sake ?

I hope Turkia does not take the bait.

 

 



Edited (4/7/2012) by alameda [spelling and grammar]

8.       bydand
755 posts
 07 Apr 2012 Sat 10:40 pm

Haven´t heard from Sophie for a while. Hope she is safe and well.

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