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German government moves to block Quran distribution
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10.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Apr 2012 Thu 05:24 pm

I often wonder why any government wants to get involved in the affairs of it´s adult citizens´ private lives.  If someone offered me a Koran, I would either take it or decline it.  I am an adult.  I can decide what I read and don´t read...what I believe and don´t believe. 

What everyone believes the Koran to be or not to be is not the issue.  The issue is a government limiting free speech.  The religious course of a nation should be decided by the people not the government. 

We, as people, must be very careful about how powerful we allow our governments to become.  Once we say it is OK to decriminate against one group, we open up the doors for descrimination of all groups.  I don´t believe any government has the right to dictate what people believe, how they live their personal lives or what they wear...



Edited (4/12/2012) by Elisabeth

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11.       stumpy
638 posts
 12 Apr 2012 Thu 07:34 pm

Quote:Elisabeth

I often wonder why any government wants to get involved in the affairs of it´s adult citizens´ private lives.  If someone offered me a Koran, I would either take it or decline it.  I am an adult.  I can decide what I read and don´t read...what I believe and don´t believe.
I agree with you but it seems the governing bodies of the world think that the people are mindless simpletans and needs to be lead like lambs for their safety, they do not want their pour little lambs to be eaten by the big bad wolves out there.

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12.       vineyards
1954 posts
 13 Apr 2012 Fri 03:58 pm

I agree with Elizabeth. As long as the audience is grown ups who can make their own decisions there must be no legal burden keeping people from publicizing their opinion or selling/distributing any legal book.

There is an old saying that goes like "most thefts occur in the vicinity of a police station." There are so many cliches firmly establishing Europe as the cradle of civilization that we don´t expect what is considered the "norm" for others to be so flawed and so unjust. I wrote in an earlier post that Europe is not at good hands. All the major nations are run by people lacking qualities to open up new paths in all aspects of life for people. Instead, they do their best to create a monocultural Europe disregarding the need for becoming more versatile and more dynamic both economically and culturally.

Unless their voters wake up to the reality, it will soon be too late for Europe...

 

13.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Apr 2012 Fri 06:42 pm

Hmmm.....interesting indeed. I find it interesting Mr. Nagi is being catagorized as a "Salafi Muslim and of Palestinian descent". Salafism seems to have a self destruct built in, as it´s so joyless not many can stand it for long. I can´t see many Turks supporting such a thing. After all, Turks being from the home of Yunus Emre and Rumi have a much more pragmatic and gentle interpretation of Islam.

As long as there is no force, if people want to take the Qurans, let them. I wonder what translation is being given away? Maybe there is more to this story?

Quoting tunci

Angela Merkel´s ruling Christian Democratic Union Party recently began a campaign to prevent an Islamic group from distributing copies of the Quran on the street in Germany, private broadcaster NTV reported on its website.

Ibrahim Ebu Nagi, a Salafi Muslim of Palestinian descent, began his “Lies!” campaign to distribute Islam´s holy book in Oct. 2011.....................

Hurriyetdailynews

 

 

14.       lemon
1374 posts
 14 Apr 2012 Sat 08:45 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

Those who believe god sent them a divine book for their enlightenment consider that book "holy" not because of the stuff it is written on, but for the message it carries.

Lemon, pls do not sound like a religious fanatic in your posts. Can you keep your discussions at an intellectual level ?

You should look up "Crusades" in history books...you will find many answers.

 

 

Alpha, with all due respect to you, aksakal, please, we are not going back to pre-medivial history. (I can refute all arguements and I am ready.)  We are talking about today. Can I go to Turkey and distribute Bibles at any bazar, on any street? Can I do this in Egypt or Iran, Iraq, Afganistan not mentioning Saudis, etc etc?

I disagree with Elizabeth.

Oh, how wonderful of you guys to blame on the governments HAHAHA easy way to get out of the embarassing situations. Something doesnt work point at the governemnt! 

Not that I agree with German government (or any government) or the course they took, but come on, you want freedom? Show me that in your own countries first!

Look at yourselves: HAHAHA  you all think you are good people, each of you are so deeply convinced of themselves as good and wonderful. 

The punishment for sin is DEATH. Seek Salvation before it is too late!

 

15.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Apr 2012 Sun 04:36 pm

Lemon we are good people. Everything we do is right. We are bound by our own wisdom. If we thought we sucked, we would do something to change ourselves. You are that way too. There is no need for a referee in the presence of so many faulty people. We are all excellent, and equally incomplete. Truth be told, there is a tug of war among nations and the best way to survive in this to pull harder. Think of your shortcomings and you´ll lose without putting up any fight.

As for what would happen if they sold the Bible in the marketplaces freely in Turkey? There is no need to wonder, I have seen quite a few places where they give away Bible copies. Is it complete safe to do so? No, every five or ten years we hear of a major incident but this is kind of expected in any country.

Unless you want us to fall on our knees and repent or confess, this will go on like this forever. With all its flavours, ours is a unique culture, it may appeal to some people and some may detest it. Whatevert the case, there is no magical button that changes such profound things like culture, religion, hatred etc.



Edited (4/15/2012) by vineyards [O ye como va mi ritmo bueno pa gosar.]

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16.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Apr 2012 Wed 03:27 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Lemon we are good people. Everything we do is right. We are bound by our own wisdom. If we thought we sucked, we would do something to change ourselves.

Bible says every human is sinful.

You are that way too.

I think I am a sinner and deserve the punishment which is hell. I maybe good from time to time, but in general I am wicked.

There is no need for a referee in the presence of so many faulty people. We are all excellent, and equally incomplete. Truth be told, there is a tug of war among nations and the best way to survive in this to pull harder. Think of your shortcomings and you´ll lose without putting up any fight.

Now, this is a political thinking. When I said "you guys" I meant you, individiulas not nations.

As for what would happen if they sold the Bible in the marketplaces freely in Turkey? There is no need to wonder, I have seen quite a few places where they give away Bible copies. Is it complete safe to do so? No, every five or ten years we hear of a major incident but this is kind of expected in any country.

And? You think it is OK?

Unless you want us to fall on our knees and repent or confess, this will go on like this forever.

Yes, you should fall on your knees and ask for forgiveness. Humbleness never harms. Even if it is going to last forever, why not be righteous and gain mercy from God?

With all its flavours, ours is a unique culture, it may appeal to some people and some may detest it. Whatevert the case, there is no magical button that changes such profound things like culture, religion, hatred etc.

This is a political talk. Even though the culture is unique full of flavours you as individual or as nation are going to come to the end one day. Individually it will take you another 10-20-30 years, nationally - who knows? - 50-100-200 years? Usually it is a blink of an eye, then you are no more. 

 

 

17.       Bambib
24 posts
 18 Apr 2012 Wed 04:15 pm

I really wanted to reply to Lemon but I found the replies of Abla and Vineyard are more than enough...

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18.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Apr 2012 Wed 05:03 pm

 

Quoting Bambib

I really wanted to reply to Lemon but I found the replies of Abla and Vineyard are more than enough...

 

Thank God I dont have to read your post to me.

19.       acute
202 posts
 18 Apr 2012 Wed 05:48 pm

 

Quoting Bambib

I really wanted to reply to Lemon but I found the replies of Abla and Vineyard are more than enough...

 

I think we should do the lemon test In hindu shops you will find a glass of water with a slice of lemon in it. when you drop the lemon in a glass of water, if the lemon sinks in the water, there is some negative energy or evil eye in the place. if it floats up then it means there is no evil eye in the environment.

I think we should start a list of things a lemon is good for.

Pouring lemon juice around  areas that ants frequent will repel them.

1/2 cup or borax and a cup of lemon juice is a great toilet bowl cleaner.

 

 

20.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Apr 2012 Wed 06:36 pm

Im glad I dont care for the Hindu nonsense.

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