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10.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 12:05 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

I too have read many of Orhan Pamuk books but I also like Elif Shafak, her books also give great detail to the lives of Turkish people in a different perspective. You can find them in Turkish or English. I am not sure how many other languages they have been translated into yet.

 

 I´m with you -- I far prefer Elif Şafak to Orhan Pamuk. Better still is Ahmet Ümit ...

11.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 12:06 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

You have to be a book critic

 

 No, that´s me. Do you read mine every week in Sunday´s Zaman??  They´re on the arts and culture page.

 

 

12.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 12:11 pm

 

Quoting MarioninTurkey

 

 

 I´m with you -- I far prefer Elif Şafak to Orhan Pamuk. Better still is Ahmet Ümit ...

 

what about Ayşe Kulin - I discovered her books 2 years ago and I love them - even if I read them in turkish (with dictionary`s help sometimes)

13.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 02:03 pm

 

Quoting elenagabriela

 

 

what about Ayşe Kulin - I discovered her books 2 years ago and I love them - even if I read them in turkish (with dictionary`s help sometimes)

 

 Yes, also Selçuk Altan. But they tend to be a bit hit and miss, compared with Elif Şafak who, with Aşk (Forty Rules of Love) and İskender (Honour) has really found her voice.

 

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 05:23 pm

I completely disagree with you about Elif Safak Orhan Pamuk comparison. Orhan Pamuk has more subtance and the stories are very well crafted. Simply because Orhan Pamuk is a hard worker. He spends huge amount of time crafting his novels. He said that he spent 10 years with masumiyet muzesi. He even had to research about history of museums to have a better knowledge about them. 

Elif Safak spent only 6 months with Iskender. I think she was much much better in Pinhan and Bastard of Istanbul. Infact, Pinhan was the best for me.

 



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Edited (10/11/2013) by thehandsom

15.       Kelowna
375 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 06:30 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I completely disagree with you about Elif Safak Orhan Pamuk comparision. Orhan Pamuk has more subtance and the story is very well crafted, Simply because Orhan Pamuk is a hard worker. He spends huge amount of time crafting his novels. He said that he spent 10 years with masumiyet muzesi. He even had to research about history of museums to have a better knowledge about them. 

Elif Safak spent only 6 months with Iskender. I think she was much much better in Pinhan and Bastard of Istanbul. Infact, Pinhan was the best for me.

 

A good writer is a talented gift and it  is not always necessary to spend 10 years on research. Nor is it someone who  has studied writing or literature. I happen to like Elif Shafak and suggest you  to read a few of her other books - The Flea Palace was a a great book about an old apartment building in Istanbul - it gave both the strength and weakness of each family/person who lived in the building.

The forty Rules of Love that combined  Rumi was another heart touching and thought evoking book.

Honour is her latest book which is being delivered to me ( hopefully today ) I will let you know about that one when I have read it.

The Bastard of Istanbul was another great book which brought  attention to Armenian history in Istanbul on top of other delicate subjects like incest again

Every writer has their own rhythm style. Her writing is active you are moving about as if it was part of your own day whereas with Pamuk you will begin to resent what you read because it is full of air................ long winded like a fart {#emotions_dlg.puking}. I am not saying he does not appeal to me as a writer I have read his other books . Just that particular book was horrible, over written and long winded.

 

 



Edited (10/11/2013) by Kelowna

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16.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Oct 2013 Fri 11:59 pm

Lol

I dont want to speculate how hallow Orhan Pamuk is.  Obviously he is a hollow as all other nobel winners like Garcia Marquez, Ernest Hamingway etc..

I think Elif Safak should read more in my opinion and should spend more time with crafting the story. She seems like she HAS TO write a new book every 6 months!! The latest book I have read from her was Iskender and the plot seemed very obvious in the middle of the book!! I bet it was the same for many Turks. Because she did not spend enough time researching about the topic she is writing about, the life of a young man-Iskender- in London was quite superficial and almost imaginary. 

I think she is quite good at writing about religious and mystical part of our ´past culture´!!

17.       Kelowna
375 posts
 12 Oct 2013 Sat 05:44 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think Elif Safak should read more in my opinion and should spend more time with crafting the story. She seems like she HAS TO write a new book every 6 months!! 

I think she is quite good at writing about religious and mystical part of our ´past culture´!!

Both writers have their own unique style of writing and both writers basically have become internationally writers giving readers a glimpse into Turkishness.

Show me where she has written 2 books in one year and I will show you Orhan Pamuk has done the same thing

 

Darkness and Light (1979)
  Cevdet Bey and His Sons (1982)
 The Silent House (1983)
The White Castle (1985)
The Black Book (1 990 )
The Secret Face ( 1992 ) movie Gizli Yuz
The New Life ( 1994 )
Other Colors: Essays and a Story ( 1999 )
Snow ( 2002 )
Istanbul: Memories and the City ( 2003 ) Where´s the 10 years of reading and study for this book????
My Father´s Suitcase (2007)
The Museum of Innocence (2008)
Manzaradan Parçalar ( 2010 )
Fragments of the Landscape ( 2010 )
The Naive and the Sentimental Novelist (2011)
The Innocence of Objects (2012)

Elif also did the same that year

  •  Kâğıt Helva,  2010
  •  Firarperest,  2010

 

 

 



Edited (10/12/2013) by Kelowna

18.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Oct 2013 Sun 03:54 am

I liked Love in the Time of Cholera, but Marquez´ 100 years of silence left me cold. I guess I´ll have to read Elif Safak now....Have you ever read anything by Isabel Allende? I read her Zorro, Inez of my Soul, Daughter of Fortune and Portrait in Sepia. I love a good book that takes me on a journy, and has accurate historic information.  Ms Allennde did a lot of research when she wrote the above mentioned books. 
I have yet to read Ms. Safak, how is her historic information/research? I love Yasar Kemal and would like to read more of him, but I haven´t found many of his books translated.  

Quoting thehandsom

Lol

I dont want to speculate how hallow Orhan Pamuk is.  Obviously he is a hollow as all other nobel winners like Garcia Marquez, Ernest Hamingway etc..

I think Elif Safak should read more in my opinion and should spend more time with crafting the story. She seems like she HAS TO write a new book every 6 months!! The latest book I have read from her was Iskender and the plot seemed very obvious in the middle of the book!! I bet it was the same for many Turks. Because she did not spend enough time researching about the topic she is writing about, the life of a young man-Iskender- in London was quite superficial and almost imaginary. 

I think she is quite good at writing about religious and mystical part of our ´past culture´!!

 

 



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19.       Kelowna
375 posts
 13 Oct 2013 Sun 04:24 am

you might also like Mary Lee Settle - Turkish Reflections which is an excellent read about Turkey in the late 70´s and her return to Turkey much later.

20.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Oct 2013 Sun 10:17 am

I´ll have to check it out sometime. In Amazon´s blurb on it is interesting to read "Mary Settle offers us an intimate portrait of a Turkey rarely seen-a land where the cutting of a tree is a crime," Obviously times have changed. 

Quoting Kelowna

you might also like Mary Lee Settle - Turkish Reflections which is an excellent read about Turkey in the late 70´s and her return to Turkey much later.

 

 

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