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Muslim beliefs? Strong or not? foreign women? opinions.
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1.       roxanatv
47 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 03:22 am

So I have some questions..

Are turkish people very religious or not? ..

I think the majority of them are not..  Well I´m a 17 year old peruvian.who´s learning turkish because I´ve always loved it. Anyway I´ve been using Livemocha to talk to other native turkish speakers but it seems like they only want "sex" or "Cam sex" with foreigners even If I tell them my age, they always tell me they would help me with "conditions" also they´re very bossy. They always say they´re very religious but when it comes to talking to foreign girls the whole religious thing goes down..  I can´t never have a decent conversation with one of them because they would always ask me for pictures, webcam, if I have a boyfriend,  If I have sex,etc. There was only a time where I was able to make a turkish friend via. Livemocha.. "he ended up falling in love with me" (in quotes). And everytime I used to update my twitter, he would get jealous and start giving me attitude like if I was his Girlfriend.. it seems like they have bad perspectives about foreign girls.. I don´t know.. 

I´m not SAYING that the majority of turkish men are like that.. but I´d also like to know if some of you have encountered something similar...Thank you.

2.       stumpy
638 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 05:04 am

It has nothing to do with being Turkish or religious of any denomination and it is not only turkish men that does this.  Russian, American, Canadian, Mexican, Brezilian and on and on and on.  The net is full of them and from diffrent countires, the ones from UAE are rather pushy and persistant, more so than Turkish men.

You are learning Turkish and on Turkish sites so it is normal you are targeted by Turkish men.  If you were part of say, German language sites you would go through the same thing but with German speaking men.

Just for kicks join a learnig group from your country and it will not be long before you get propositions from men from your country.  You will see that they act the same as many others.



Edited (12/17/2012) by stumpy

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3.       Henry
2604 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 05:18 am

There are lots of deviates and idiots on the internet waiting for opportunities.

My advice for using livemocha

!) change your identity to being a middle aged male and do not post a picture of yourself. The spam will not stop, but it will be less.

2) Be very selective in who you add as a friend. Only add people who are native speakers of the language you are learning, and have a proven record of helping others, it is easy to see the quality of their help, and their advice to learners. Quality is better than quantity.

3) you need to complete and understand the lessons on livemocha if you want to progress, and native speakers will help you more if they see you are trying hard to learn.

Turks are no different to most other people. Some people are very religious, others don´t care. Generally the family is most important, and parents and elders are shown respect. People prefer to marry others of the same faith, but different beliefs and ethnic backgrounds can effect any relationships.

If you are not naive about who you befriend, and treat Turks with respect, they will treat you the same.

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4.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 05:20 am

Stumpy is right. But there is another factor. It is not easy to have sex in Turkey. Because virginity is still taboo. Most of the woman don´t want to have sex before marriage. Because of this many horny young man tries to attract foreign women.

5.       roxanatv
47 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 06:02 am

stumpy :  

I get what you´re saying.. but I´ve talked and are friends with many other people (from other nationalities) and they all have treated me with a lot of respect, I´m also learning italian and improving my portuguese and I haven´t had any similar situations with italians or portuguese native speakers..  

gokuyum : 

You´re right, I´ve heard that and also that turkish men think foreign women are easy.That´s why they are very open with them and ask them for sex.  (But of course, not everything that goes around the internet is true) . 



Edited (12/17/2012) by roxanatv

6.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 06:26 am

BTW, what is livemocha, a chating website or what... i have never heard that before. i just looked at their website, it seems a language training center but but how.

 

anyway, majority of turkish people arent religious or have enough religious education.

my guess about percentage: %10 dont have belief. %90 have at least belief. belief plus action percentage is not more than %10. belief plus action plus minimum religious education percentage is not more than %5. some people say turkish population is going to be more conservative, i cannot see any sign about that... all i see is a huge ignorance.

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7.       Abla
3647 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 09:01 am

You sound like a clever girl, roxanatv. Just keep your own principles. It is possible.

 

Some (hopefully adult) people choose to do these things. Instead of talking about bad Turkish men chasing innocent language learners we could see it as a market of demand and supply.



Edited (12/17/2012) by Abla

8.       Umut_Umut
485 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 10:27 am

 

Quoting Abla

we could see it as a market of demand and supply.

 

sounds logical

 

9.       MilesTraveller
73 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 12:31 pm

This topic made me so sad.. One of the things i always am afraid of,and one I face a  lot.
I always see it as the relationship in a class.There are students,the teacher and the subject.
The teacher tries to do his job,teaches. Subject is always stable,pure but not every student understands it. Not every one of them passes the test. And because of some fools, it usually is either the teacher or the subject who gets blamed.

There are 2 kinds of faiths. First one is called imitated faith. This is no more than traditions. You do what you see from the elder generations without questioning and understanding.
It is like eating a ready-cooked meal.You wouldn´t know whats inside of it,you wouldnt know how its made but you eat it.And the second one is called verified faith.By this one you actually know what you believe in.You never eat the meal without questioning and understanding.You know how its made,why its made.You know the ingredients.And you are able to make it on your own.A delicious one! We people do not easily appreciate something if we have it for a long time. But one you feel the lack of it,you start to appreciate.

I think we all need empathy.If you ask almost all men in Turkey ,they wouldnt like the idea of their sisters having a relationship with other guys.Both physical and emotional.But most of them tend to have a relationship with other girls.such a contradiction..

For more than hundred years our people included me raised as an ignorant folk.But things are changing,I have seen it with my eyes.There are beautiful seeds planted in Turkey and they are growing.I hope you´d have the chance to see it yourself one day.

I am so sorry for what those have done to you.I wish it never happened.and I hope it did not leave a bad influence on you about Turks and Islam ( though im afraid it did )
I hope you´d get to meet some nice people from Turkey

10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 12:59 pm

 

Quoting MilesTraveller

This topic made me so sad.. One of the things i always am afraid of,and one I face a  lot.
I always see it as the relationship in a class.There are students,the teacher and the subject.
The teacher tries to do his job,teaches. Subject is always stable,pure but not every student understands it. Not every one of them passes the test. And because of some fools, it usually is either the teacher or the subject who gets blamed.

There are 2 kinds of faiths. First one is called imitated faith. This is no more than traditions. You do what you see from the elder generations without questioning and understanding.
It is like eating a ready-cooked meal.You wouldn´t know whats inside of it,you wouldnt know how its made but you eat it.And the second one is called verified faith.By this one you actually know what you believe in.You never eat the meal without questioning and understanding.You know how its made,why its made.You know the ingredients.And you are able to make it on your own.A delicious one! We people do not easily appreciate something if we have it for a long time. But one you feel the lack of it,you start to appreciate.

I think we all need empathy.If you ask almost all men in Turkey ,they wouldnt like the idea of their sisters having a relationship with other guys.Both physical and emotional.But most of them tend to have a relationship with other girls.such a contradiction..

For more than hundred years our people included me raised as an ignorant folk.But things are changing,I have seen it with my eyes.There are beautiful seeds planted in Turkey and they are growing.I hope you´d have the chance to see it yourself one day.

I am so sorry for what those have done to you.I wish it never happened.and I hope it did not leave a bad influence on you about Turks and Islam ( though im afraid it did )
I hope you´d get to meet some nice people from Turkey

 

It is neither religiously correct nor socially polite to question degree or strength of other peoples´ religious beliefs.

Assuming you have brains, you are perfectly free to decide what is good for you - about bad Turkish men.

With a little further brain exercise you may come to realize that not all Turkish men can possibly be the horrible wolves as you believe...You can then ask yourself why you always seem to attract the horrible kind. Is there anything you can do to improve yourself, so you get to meet the better ones ?

 

Believe it or not, this is empathy and experience speaking here....

 

 



Edited (12/17/2012) by AlphaF
Edited (12/17/2012) by AlphaF

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