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human trafficing in Turkey and a video
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1.       hosamedi
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 02 Mar 2013 Sat 11:02 pm

I have just watched the following video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K16S4ZA2Og

A group of Turkish men in Rize (a city in the Turkish Black Sea Region) torture a Georgian woman and threaten to bury her alive. And guess what her crime is: She refuses to be a sex worker. The woman begs to the monsters.

As far as it is explained in the news today, those monsters were captured and one them was already released.

I have also found this article online:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/dying-to-leave/human-trafficking-worldwide/turkey/1469/

 

 

 

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2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2013 Sun 05:27 am

I wish I knew more on this subject but based on what I do know, the best measure to decrease human trafficking was what was done in Sweden, which was criminalizing the men who used women for sex and decriminalizing women who are involved in the sex industry. I think that every man who in any way is even thinking it possible to have sex with another person for money or without a consent should feel guilty as being the source of this problem. This problem exists because of men´s attitudes towards women.



Edited (3/3/2013) by catwoman

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3.       hosamedi
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 03 Mar 2013 Sun 06:40 am

or what would those men do, if same thing was done to their sisters or mothers?

 

Quoting catwoman

I wish I knew more on this subject but based on what I do know, the best measure to decrease human trafficking was what was done in Sweden, which was criminalizing the men who used women for sex and decriminalizing women who are involved in the sex industry. I think that every man who in any way is even thinking it possible to have sex with another person for money or without a consent should feel guilty as being the source of this problem. This problem exists because of men´s attitudes towards women.

 

 



Edited (3/3/2013) by hosamedi

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4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2013 Sun 05:30 pm

 

Quoting hosamedi

or what would those men do, if same thing was done to their sisters or mothers?

 

 

come on, what did the sisters/mothers do to torture them?? this is like an ancient way of serving justice where the communities/families would collectively bear responsibility of an individual´s crimes. 

this is a very complicated problem that has to do with economic inequalities between different countries and economic inequalities between women and men as well as the overarching system of patriarchy where women are treated as sex objects and stripped off of their humanity. 

it´s impossible to fix the global economies. the solution must lie at the level of criminalizing the source of the problem - obviously traffickers and the men who use women for sex. there must also be a thoughtful conversation about the role of socialization and sexual education to young children.

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5.       hosamedi
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 03 Mar 2013 Sun 09:51 pm

catwoman: please read what I have written very carefully. I do not blame their families.

I am not saying that their families should be punished.

I am just saying those same men, who torture other women, should be very protective of their sisters and mothers.

And this not an ancinet way at all. This is called emphaty. I have heard the same thing many times in the American reality shows.

 

Please try to understand carefully what people say before you criticize them.

 

Quoting catwoman

 

Quoting hosamedi

or what would those men do, if same thing was done to their sisters or mothers?

 

 

come on, what did the sisters/mothers do to torture them?? this is like an ancient way of serving justice where the communities/families would collectively bear responsibility of an individual´s crimes. 

this is a very complicated problem that has to do with economic inequalities between different countries and economic inequalities between women and men as well as the overarching system of patriarchy where women are treated as sex objects and stripped off of their humanity. 

it´s impossible to fix the global economies. the solution must lie at the level of criminalizing the source of the problem - obviously traffickers and the men who use women for sex. there must also be a thoughtful conversation about the role of socialization and sexual education to young children.

 

 



Edited (3/3/2013) by hosamedi

6.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Mar 2013 Mon 04:26 am

 

Quoting hosamedi

catwoman: please read what I have written very carefully. I do not blame their families.

I am not saying that their families should be punished.

I am just saying those same men, who torture other women, should be very protective of their sisters and mothers.

And this not an ancinet way at all. This is called emphaty. I have heard the same thing many times in the American reality shows.

 

Please try to understand carefully what people say before you criticize them.

 

Hosamedi - I am not criticizing you, I see your point, I´m sorry if you felt like it was directed towards you, please accept my apologies. I think we both cannot understand how a human being may be capable of committing such horrific acts of violence towards other people and may be so devoid of empathy. I don´t think these criminals care about their families (mothers/sisters) at all. They are animals. 



Edited (3/4/2013) by catwoman

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7.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Mar 2013 Mon 09:57 pm

It´s true, some people have no empathy or compassion for others at all. It´s hard for some of us to understand such a thing, but there are those who put on a good show, but in reality are psychopathic personalities, or some derivitive thereof. 

They are dangerous and very often seductive people.  

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Hosamedi - I am not criticizing you, I see your point, I´m sorry if you felt like it was directed towards you, please accept my apologies. I think we both cannot understand how a human being may be capable of committing such horrific acts of violence towards other people and may be so devoid of empathy. I don´t think these criminals care about their families (mothers/sisters) at all. They are animals. 

 

 



Edited (3/4/2013) by alameda

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8.       nessah
744 posts
 04 Mar 2013 Mon 10:09 pm

 

Quoting hosamedi

I have just watched the following video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K16S4ZA2Og

A group of Turkish men in Rize (a city in the Turkish Black Sea Region) torture a Georgian woman and threaten to bury her alive. And guess what her crime is: She refuses to be a sex worker. The woman begs to the monsters.

As far as it is explained in the news today, those monsters were captured and one them was already released.

I have also found this article online:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/dying-to-leave/human-trafficking-worldwide/turkey/1469/

 

 

 

this makes me so upset

 

 

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9.       alameda
3499 posts
 05 Mar 2013 Tue 01:08 am

Sadly, such things happen everyplace in the world. This is not unique to Turkey, or I would guess, not even particularly larger problem in there than other places. From what I can surmise, this is anti Turkish propaganda pure and simple.

Human trafficking is a serious problem. Sometimes they want your organs, others use of your private parts, your labor....it happens everyplace in the world. Of course, some places we have no statistics at all. Like Chinese prisoners....

In watching the video, the grave they are putting her in seems to be very shallow indeed. One could prety much shake the soil off their body. That is, of course, given they are conscious at the time. It would appear feigning unconsciousness, as when one is surrounded by predators like this, putting her head down and creating an air pocket would be a smart thing to do, if one found themselves in such a dire situation. 

Quoting nessah

 

this makes me so upset

 

 

 

 



Edited (3/5/2013) by alameda

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10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Mar 2013 Tue 08:22 am

http://www.sondakika.com/haber/haber-samatya-daki-ermeniler-e-saldiri-iddiasi-4390946/

 

The criminal which attacked 5 old fragile Turkish ladies of Armenian origin, killing one to grasp her purse, has been apprehended by Turkish police.

The offender turned out to be a citizen of Armenian ethnic origin as well. People in this mainly Armenian neighborhood expressed their pleasure to find out that the assaults were not motivated by any ethnic friction.

 



Edited (3/5/2013) by AlphaF
Edited (3/5/2013) by AlphaF

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