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Armenians/Policy change?
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27 Apr 2014 Sun 09:08 am |
Now what about Armanians did to Muslims?
I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones, as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth.
A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936. -One of the architects of the Armenian genocide of Muslim people
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Foreword:
For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction. In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day scattered among its ruins.
p. 218 (first and second paragraphs)
We Armenians did not spare the Muslims. If persisted in, the slaughtering of Tartars, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course.
I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. Muslims had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself.
p. 15 (second paragraph)
The Tartars [Muslims] were, for the most part, poor. Some of them lived in villages and cultivated small farms; many of them continued in the way of life of their nomadic forefathers. They drove their flocks and herds from valley to valley, from plain to mountain, and from mountain to plain, following the pasturage as it changed with the seasons. They ranged from the salt desert shores of the Caspian Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains. Even the village Tartars are a primitive people, only semicivilized.
I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and, while holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country, regarded and treated them as inferiors.
p. 20 (second paragraph)
Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror, unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished.
p. 109 (second paragraph).
The method of execution was for an Armenian government ´mauserist´ to walk up behind the condemned Muslim in his home or on the street, place a pistol to the back of his head and blow out his brains. This simple way of getting rid of those who were undesirable in the view of the Armenian government and soon became a common way of paying debts.
p. 202 (first and second paragraphs)
We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead.
p. 203 (second paragraph)
One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children. The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the Muslim dead.
p. 204 (first paragraph)
I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy that had been enacted. Guided by the child´s crying, I entered the yard of a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a Muslim family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a year old.
Leonard Ramsden Hartill, Men Are Like That The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian genocide of Muslim people
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27 Apr 2014 Sun 08:54 pm |
Instead of sided internet journals why don´t you send me some solid and damning proof? I read those links and none of them give any citation to any of their claims.
I have to add this:
"This truth slaps you on the face as soon as you get out of Turkey."
Maybe you just haven´t been to the right countries? Nobody believes these imperialist crap in Malaysia, Thailand, Hungary, Japan, Egypt etc. Oh wait those aren´t the right countries for you. For people like you only france england vs exists and whatever they say it´s the "glboal thought" for you.
"What you are trying to explain up there is that you are ACCEPTING what happened to Armenians. You are trying to say that ´but they deserved it´."
Nobody deserves to be killed. My ancestors in Çanakkale didn´t deserve to get hit from behind by the Armenian gangs. Millions of Muslim Turks didn´t deserve to get killed in Balkans and Causcaus. My grandmother didn´t deserve to get chased to her house door in Istanbul by the Armenian gangsters when british invaded it in WW1. 5 million Ottoman civilians didn´t deserve to get murdered. What ignites my anger is not some vauge political historical fact that´s not even a fact. It´s the ignoring the death of everyone else and making it look like only Armenians died.
It belongs to this idea that says "Muslims aren´t human. Only Christians are."
Even worse, using this lie to cover up Khojali and shitloads of other murders all over the world done by Armenians.
Edited (4/27/2014) by burakk
Edited (4/27/2014) by burakk
Edited (4/27/2014) by burakk
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27 Apr 2014 Sun 11:16 pm |
Instead of sided internet journals why don´t you send me some solid and damning proof? I read those links and none of them give any citation to any of their claims.
I have to add this:
"This truth slaps you on the face as soon as you get out of Turkey."
Maybe you just haven´t been to the right countries? Nobody believes these imperialist crap in Malaysia, Thailand, Hungary, Japan, Egypt etc. Oh wait those aren´t the right countries for you. For people like you only france england vs exists and whatever they say it´s the "glboal thought" for you.
"What you are trying to explain up there is that you are ACCEPTING what happened to Armenians. You are trying to say that ´but they deserved it´."
Nobody deserves to be killed. My ancestors in Çanakkale didn´t deserve to get hit from behind by the Armenian gangs. Millions of Muslim Turks didn´t deserve to get killed in Balkans and Causcaus. My grandmother didn´t deserve to get chased to her house door in Istanbul by the Armenian gangsters when british invaded it in WW1. 5 million Ottoman civilians didn´t deserve to get murdered. What ignites my anger is not some vauge political historical fact that´s not even a fact. It´s the ignoring the death of everyone else and making it look like only Armenians died.
It belongs to this idea that says "Muslims aren´t human. Only Christians are."
Even worse, using this lie to cover up Khojali and shitloads of other murders all over the world done by Armenians.
I doubt that you have read those articles (You somehow are associating Canakkale with Armenians.. Infact one of the articles awas writing that 24 April was the date Armenian intellects were picked up from their homes and got killed. -bear in mind that they were not tried, found guilty and executed. They were simply killed in an eastern-perfidious way: telling their familes that they have been relocated but they got killed on the road. 24 April 1915 was also the time when British started bombing Canakkale.. So no Armenians hit anybody behind at Canakkale. Two incidents are not related)
They are not sided online journals.. They are Turkish intellects and writing in papers. Many of them are professors who are NOT paid by the states!! Those people enlightened many of us so far. Taner Akcam/Murat Belge/Halil Berktay etc are leading free thinkers of Turkey. They are able to talk about it right now after long years of ban and threats!! You want a citation? Like what? are you expecting them to show a letter from Ittihat ve terakki saying that ´actually this is a genocide´?
We are not talking about France and a few other countries here.. WE are talking about much more biger audiance. In fact, the person who wrote the definition of genocide, showed interest into this subject after ww1, after Talat was assasinated. He had Armenians in his mind when he wrote the definition.
Armenians and Canakkale were not related.. Muslims did not get killed by Armenians in Balkans. Ethnic clensing was done by Greeks/Bulgarians/Sirbs. But not Armenians in Balkans. I dont know any serious incident in Istanbul after British invasion after WW1 done by Armenians against muslims. We all lost our ralatives during ww1. Almost every family lost some people including mine.
But none of above is a good reason to force an entire nation to a forced relocation with deadly consequences. Infact the archives show us, Ittihat ve Terakki leaders knew what they were doing and what was happening to the Armenians on the road. The entire event was planned that way. Unfortunatelly that entire event happened in our soils, ashamed all of us and that is the reason it is not a problem of Armenia. It is OUR problem we have to face.
Read more please
http://serbestiyet.com/meaningful-world-soykirim-panelinde-1-soyleyemediklerim-1915te-ne-oldu/
http://serbestiyet.com/meaningful-world-soykirim-panelinde2-soylediklerim-inkar-inadi-nereden-kaynaklaniyor/
Edited (4/28/2014) by thehandsom
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28 Apr 2014 Mon 12:10 am |
I doubt that you have read those articles (You somehow are associating Canakkale with Armenians.. Infact one of the articles awas writing that 24 April was the date Armenian intellects were picked up from their homes and got killed. -bear in mind that they were not tried, found guilty and executed. They were simply killed in an eastern-perfidious way: telling their familes that they are relocated but they got killed on the road. 24 April 1915 was also the time when British started bombing canakkale.. So no Armenians hit anybody at Canakkale. They are not related)
They are not sided online journals.. They are Turkish intellects and writing in papers. Many of them are professors who are NOT paid by the states!! Those people enlightened many of us so far. Taner Akcam/Murat Belge/Halil Berktay etc are leading free thinkers of Turkey. They are able to talk about it right now after long years of ban and threats!! You want a citation? Like what? are you expecting them to show a letter from Ittihat ve terakki saying that ´actually this is a genocide´?
We are not talking about France and a few other countries here.. WE are talking about much more biger audiance. In fact, the guy who wrote the definition of genocide, showed interest into this subject after ww1, after Talat was assasinated. He had Armenians in his mind when he wrote the definition.
Armenians and Canakkale was not related.. Muslims did not get killed by Armenians in Balkans. Ethnic clensing was done by greeks/bulgarians/sirbs. But not Armenians. I dont know any serious incident in Istanbul after British invasion after WW1 done by Armenians against muslims. We all lost our ralatives during ww1. Almost every family lost some people including mine.
But none of above is a good reason to force an entire nation to a forced relocation with deadly consequences. Infact the archives show us, Ittihat ve Terakki leaders knew what they were doing and what they were happening them on the road. The entire event was planned that way. Unfortunatelly that entire event happened in our soils, ashamed all of us and that is the reason it is not a problem of Armenia. It is OUR problem we have to face.
Read more please
http://serbestiyet.com/meaningful-world-soykirim-panelinde-1-soyleyemediklerim-1915te-ne-oldu/
http://serbestiyet.com/meaningful-world-soykirim-panelinde2-soylediklerim-inkar-inadi-nereden-kaynaklaniyor/
əsl dəvəquşu sənsən!!! niyə xocalı soyqırımı və 1 milyon köçə məcbur edilən azərbaycanlılar üçün danishmiyirsan ?
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28 Apr 2014 Mon 02:04 am |
So no Armenians hit anybody at Canakkale. They are not related)
Fransız askeri makamlarının 22 Eylül 1915 tarihinde yayımladıkları tebliğde de Musa Dağı’nda Temmuz sonundan beri ayaklanma hâlinde olan Ermenilerin cephane ve yiyeceklerinin tükenmesinden dolayı dayanma güçlerinin kalmadığı, Fransız kruvazörlerinin buradan 5000 civarında Ermeni’yi alarak Port Said’e taşıdıkları bilgisini verdi41. Halep Konsolosu Dandini, 25 Ekim 1915 tarihli raporunda Cemal Paşa’ya paralel bilgiler vermekteydi. Buna göre Musa Dağı’nda ayaklanan Ermenilerin aileleriyle birlikte İngiliz gemilerine binerek kaçtıklarını, kadın ve çocukların Kıbrıs’a gittiklerini, 6000 civarında erkeğinse İtilaf Devletleri adına savaşmak üzere Çanakkale Boğazı’na gittiğini bildirdi
kaynakça: 42 Ohandjanian, Österreich-Armenien Faksimilesammlung, no. 1105; HA PA XII 463 Z.15/P, s.4798–4800’den Avusturya Macaristan ve Ermeni, cilt VI C.
Ermeniler, şanlı Rus Ordusu saflarına girmek için aceleyle tüm ülkelerden, Rus Ordusuna hizmet etmek için geldiler... Bayraklarımızı serbestçe Çanakkale ve Boğaz içinde sallayalım, buranın halkları Ermeni olacaktır. Haydi yeni bir yaşam için diriliş ve Türkiye´de İsa´ya inanan Ermeni halkı...
—Nicholas II of Russia
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I will come back with more sources and reply your other message later when I have time.
Also I recommend you read some other independent authors as well (of which I know, you will make the classical demogogy of "your author is false mine is true" subjectivity)
Edited (4/28/2014) by burakk
Edited (4/28/2014) by burakk
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28 Apr 2014 Mon 09:26 am |
əsl dəvəquşu sənsən!!! niyə xocalı soyqırımı və 1 milyon köçə məcbur edilən azərbaycanlılar üçün danishmiyirsan ?
Doğru demişsin ama sen bu zatı pek iyi bilmezsin. Kendisi Ermenilerin hizmetkarı olarak buradadır. Devamlı olarak Türklerin Ermenilere yaptığı zulümden dem vurur ama aksini hiç söz etmez. Özü kabul etmese bile özü bir Ermeni ola biler.
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28 Apr 2014 Mon 10:36 am |
No comments
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03 May 2014 Sat 02:32 pm |
The power of the Ottoman empire declined continuously in the 19th century. The loss of the Balkan provinces was a striking defeat which resulted in mass atrocities, expulsion and the deportation of Ottoman Muslims. A series of ethnic cleansings in the Balkans pushed millions eastward, transforming the demographic structure of Anatolia and leading to the destabilisation and deterioration of communal relations there as well. Approximately 5 million Ottoman citizens were driven away from their ancestral homes in the Balkans, the Caucasus and Anatolia. While much of western history tells of the suffering of the dispossessed and dead Ottoman Christians, the colossal sufferings of Ottoman Muslims remains largely unknown outside of Turkey.
It is an undeniable fact that the Armenians suffered greatly in the same period. The consequences of the relocation of the large part of the Armenian community are unacceptable and inhuman. ... Offering condolences to the descendants of Ottoman Armenians with compassion and respect is a duty of humanity. An almost century-long confrontation has proved that we cannot solve the problem unless we start listening to and understanding each other. We must also learn to respect, without comparing sufferings and without categorising them. ..
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/02/turks-armenians-erdogan-condolences-1915-armenian-massacre
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So no more ´but we did not do anything; they are all lies´ type of comments..
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04 May 2014 Sun 12:07 pm |
We lived in peace with them for centuries. That might have been still be the case. Nothing happens without a reason. They drew the first blood. They first did something and we reacted. They started it all first.
So they should face with what they themselves did wrong in the first place.
Armenians are brainwashed and taught to hate Turks starting from their childhood. Now that is wrong. I don´t like somebody hating because I am a Turk.
And what about offering condolences to those killed by them (Both sides suffered then). At least Turks do that, don´t they? If it is about humanity, where is their humanity?
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