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10.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 12:37 am

Let´s take a look at what´s going on in Iraq and Syria.

Kurds: They rose to power and have become the de facto administrators of the vast regions of these two countries. They have armies trained by the West and they use American weapons. On paper America is an ally of Turkey via NATO. Yet, they backed the formation of Kurdistan which has long been a major threat for Turkey. Turkey has been fighting with the Kurdish seperatists for ages and all her allies know the country´s concerns and policies.

ISIS: We are talking about a major military power with unprecedented fire power and organization. This organization runs on tremendous amounts of money coming from all sorts of illegal channels and trades. The question is who created ISIS? Whose pawn are they? 

Turkey: Turkey has a long border with both countries and it directly suffers the consequences of the war. Turkey has so far accepted the largest number of refugees. She even let them travel around the country or find jobs where some Western governments were reluctantly offering to accept 800 or so of them.

America: America belongs here because they consider themselves as the world police. They have a right to invade, divide, partition sovereign nations just because they can do that. Let us not talk about moral values here. It is just a power game that takes place just because America wants a large chunk from the wealths of smaller nations.

One day, this will change there will be a new super power. Maybe China or God knows who. When that happens American people will remember the old days just like many Turks remember the Ottoman Empire. In this world, there is no lasting alliance or friendship.

 

 

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11.       denizli
970 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 02:23 am

 

Quoting vineyards

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America: ... It is just a power game that takes place just because America wants a large chunk from the wealths of smaller nations.

...

 

 

I don´t blame you at all for questioning the US´ motives. But with Turkey doing nothing about ISIL, is the rest of the world just supposed to sit back and let ISIL flourish or just wait and see how they make out?

 

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12.       eurovis
35 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 10:59 am

 

Quoting denizli

 

 

I don´t blame you at all for questioning the US´ motives. But with Turkey doing nothing about ISIL, is the rest of the world just supposed to sit back and let ISIL flourish or just wait and see how they make out?

 

 

 

Why don´t you christians mind your own business, ever? You could start with getting out of the muslim countries you invaded and paying compensation for the muslims you killed.

 

13.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 11:32 am

It is a bit weird to call the West as Christians. Christ himself was a peaceful man. He has no relation with the current day Christians who have nothing to do with the original teachings of that great dude. For example, he strictly forbade usury but todays´ West runs on usury and by the consent of the church. 

Islam´s prophet on the other hand was a warrior prophet. He acted as an army general, statesman etc. We have to remember this point. We can claim crusades were against the spirit of Christianity but can we say that Jihad actually contradicts with it?

I would like to say, the religion context here is dubious. Christ did not want his followers to organize crusades. Christians can´t attribute their warlike nature to the teachings of their religion. However, Muslims can.

We should say this is a cultural thing... and nothing more.



Edited (10/22/2014) by vineyards

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14.       eurovis
35 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 01:03 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

It is a bit weird to call the West as Christians. Christ himself was a peaceful man. He has no relation with the current day Christians who have nothing to do with the original teachings of that great dude. For example, he strictly forbade usury but todays´ West runs on usury and by the consent of the church. 

Islam´s prophet on the other hand was a warrior prophet. He acted as an army general, statesman etc. We have to remember this point. We can claim crusades were against the spirit of Christianity but we can say that Jihad contradicts with it.

 

What are they if not christians? Can you define what the "west" is then? It´s an ambiguous term that christians have made up to hide their agenda to christianize the whole world. That of course doesn´t mean they are trying to make everybody to convert into christianity. instead they simply force people to wear what christians wear, act like christians act, think the way christians think. And they call it westernization instead of that infamous word crusade. What´s this if not christofascism?

 

15.       bydand
755 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 01:58 pm

 

Quoting eurovis

 

 

What are they if not christians? Can you define what the "west" is then? It´s an ambiguous term that christians have made up to hide their agenda to christianize the whole world. That of course doesn´t mean they are trying to make everybody to convert into christianity. instead they simply force people to wear what christians wear, act like christians act, think the way christians think. And they call it westernization instead of that infamous word crusade. What´s this if not christofascism?

 

 

There are almost 3 million muslims living in Britain and more are choosing to come here every year so we cannot be what you say. Islam is the second religion in the UK and more mosques are being built to cope with the rising muslim population. So what you are saying is simply not true.

 

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16.       eurovis
35 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 02:19 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 

 

There are almost 3 million muslims living in Britain and more are choosing to come here every year so we cannot be what you say. Islam is the second religion in the UK and more mosques are being built to cope with the rising muslim population. So what you are saying is simply not true.

 

 

 

And thousands of christian immigrants from England come to Turkey to live here. So what does this have to do with what I said?

 

17.       AzerbayCan61
44 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 07:23 pm

Orthodox-Catholic Christians in the Middle Ages there were wars. Mutually excommunicated. Today Orthodox-Catholic war does not exist. But Muslims in the 21st century Sunni-Shiite war continues. Alevis are respectful of all religions and peoples. But they are ´not-Islamic  sects´ acceptable. 

Today Erdogan and his government ´Arab Islam´ is the understanding.{#emotions_dlg.shy} We Azeris, for  moderate Islam thank the Aliyev government.{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

18.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 07:40 pm

You should thank West for tokenizing moderate Islam.

19.       AzerbayCan61
44 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 07:58 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

You should thank West for tokenizing moderate Islam.

 

im should thank ´Mevlana´ for moderate Islam. But you, can thank Saudi Arabia.

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20.       denizli
970 posts
 22 Oct 2014 Wed 10:15 pm

 

Quoting AzerbayCan61

 

 

im should thank ´Mevlana´ for moderate Islam. But you, can thank Saudi Arabia.

 

That was over my head. Anlamadim.

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