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Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!
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2690. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:05 am |
Sorry GG you are wrong, she obviously does have a clue. Meltem has the power to look into our minds - she has already told me today that I do not give a **** about the issue because I am not aware of its sensitivity.
Hmmm.....I wonder if she can tell what I am thinking right now! 
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2691. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:08 am |
Sorry GG you are wrong, she obviously does have a clue. Meltem has the power to look into our minds - she has already told me today that I do not give a **** about the issue because I am not aware of its sensitivity.
Do I sense fireworks in the mods forum? 
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2692. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:08 am |
Look mltm..
What we are writing and discussing here is not a crime..OK?
All the sources are LEGAL in Turkey..OK? (can you show me ONE, just one source I have givenhere which was not legal?)
Kurdish issue is not as taboo as it used to be.. OK?
we are trying to get inline with EU´s laws..OK?
And therefore censoring the ideas is NOT acceptable anymore..OK?
By saying that "we Turks censor the things" is an INSULT TO Turkishness..OK?
And it is hugely embarresing..OK?
Mr. Mackey,
In Turkey kurdish issues has been being discussed more openly lately. Even there is a party which is linked to PKK! No one is put to jail because of these discussions. However, our wish in a forum that is aimed at foreigners is that it is not appropriate to open PKK to discussion so much. Then people who are not sensitive about this issue say their PKK justfying opinions which lead this site to look as a PKK sympathying site. Since we cannot control all the discussions, all the posts the decision not to discuss this issue has been taken. This forum is not a place for these discussions and do not continously accuse us of being enemies of democracy. This is just a site we are running, a cencorship about an issue on a site does not mean that you favor cencorship. Like it would not be wrong to cencor discussing Adam and Eve from a religious perspective in a medical faculty where science is made even if this faculty is in a democratic state.
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2693. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:12 am |
However, our wish in a forum that is aimed at foreigners is that it is not appropriate to open PKK to discussion so much.
Finally!!!! This is the real truth of the matter. Turkey is so concerned with it´s image yet again..... 
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2694. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:20 am |
Finally!!!! This is the real truth of the matter. Turkey is so concerned with it´s image yet again..... 
And foreigners are a bunch of simpletons who cannot decide for themselves what´s what! 
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2695. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:21 am |
And foreigners are a bunch of simpletons who cannot decide for themselves what´s what! 
It is not to form their opinions. What I said is that foreigners who are not familiar with this subject may say "PKK justifying" things which will cause problem.
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2696. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:23 am |
Do I sense fireworks in the mods forum? 
I´m terrified 
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2697. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:24 am |
Mr. Mackey,
In Turkey kurdish issues has been being discussed more openly lately. Even there is a party which is linked to PKK! No one is put to jail because of these discussions. However, our wish in a forum that is aimed at foreigners is that it is not appropriate to open PKK to discussion so much. Then people who are not sensitive about this issue say their PKK justfying opinions which lead this site to look as a PKK sympathying site. Since we cannot control all the discussions, all the posts the decision not to discuss this issue has been taken. This forum is not a place for these discussions and do not continously accuse us of being enemies of democracy. This is just a site we are running, a cencorship about an issue on a site does not mean that you favor cencorship. Like it would not be wrong to cencor discussing Adam and Eve from a religious perspective in a medical faculty where science is made even if this faculty is in a democratic state.
Look mltm!!
Have you asked foreigners about it?
I dont think they are the ones who think that these topics are NOT appropriate for them.
BUT these topics are bothering YOU!!!! IT IS YOU BASICALLY THINKING THAT WAY..
Are you saying that our foreign friends DO NOT have brains to think for themselves? (you sounded like 1980 army generals who tried to dictate people what to think )
You may think that you are running the site. But we are contributing here as well..
I am asking you clearly here again:
If you think a post is saying the wrong things or the idea you disapprove of, THEN POST YOUR OWN IDEA AND SHOW THAT HOW WRONG IT IS..
If you are not doing that but deciding suddenly ´I am going to lock this thread´ is CENSORSHIP.
And also the indication that you have no idea about the issue..
It is like, ´I dont know what the hell you are talking about but I want to lock this subject anyway´ 
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2698. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:28 am |
 Well I apologise (but you were being equally sarcastic with your Big Brother implication! )
I thought i was who patronising?
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2699. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:33 am |
Look mltm!!
Have you asked foreigners about it?
I dont think they are the ones who think that these topics are NOT appropriate for them.
BUT these topics are bothering YOU!!!! IT IS YOU BASICALLY THINKING THAT WAY..
Are you saying that our foreign friends DO NOT have brains to think for themselves? (you sounded like 1980 army generals who tried to dictate people what to think )
You may think that you are running the site. But we are contributing here as well..
I am asking you clearly here again:
If you think a post is saying the wrong things or the idea you disapprove of, THEN POST YOUR OWN IDEA AND SHOW THAT HOW WRONG IT IS..
If you are not doing that but deciding suddenly ´I am going to lock this thread´ is CENSORSHIP.
And also the indication that you have no idea about the issue..
It is like, ´I dont know what the hell you are talking about but I want to lock this subject anyway´ 
these posts starting with "look Mltm!!" and followed by "ok`s" remind me of the communication style of some certain type of people. when will you come up with the "be clever" warnings, thehandsom?
I don`t think we need a Kemal Kerincsiz here
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2700. |
23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:59 am |
How come we are forced to be so sensitive when discussing the PKK, Ataturk, Article 301, Armenian Genocide and many other issues regarding Turkey. But when it comes to the west, I have to endure support to Bid Laden, Bush bashing, Native American Genocide and criticism after criticism over the Iraqi War. You mention one negative thing about radical islamists, or topics mention above, we resort to changing the rules. You can´t change the rules as you go, you must establish them in the first place. Of course not everyone will be content, but at least you have set the foundation for what is expected. If you keep changing what is acceptable and what isn´t it results to chaos and disorder.
I understand this is a Turkish Language site, but if it´s meant to be a visitors burea and everything should be positive and glorified to attract visitors to Turkey, you may want to remove the General/Off Topic and get sponsorship from the Turkish government. I would imagine most people coming to this site to learn about Turkey are foreigners. So shouldn´t this site be more open-minded to catering to us, rather than to Turks who should already know their history & language. It just appears everytime we make changes here, it´s due to appeasing others because their offended. No matter how hard you try, someone will always take offense to something. I think it´s a no win situation.
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