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1.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Jul 2006 Thu 12:53 pm

Following on from the discussion about full and short infinitive verb forms that are used with lazım - see this thread - I want to explore this further!

Bugün çalışmak lazım - Work is necessary today (for everyone)
Bugün çalışmam lazım - Work is necessary today (for me)

I can see why one would use the first form with a full infinitive as it is a general statement. But why would one ever construct the second sentence? Surely this would be the way to express individual necessity:
Bugün çalışmalıyım

Is there any difference in meaning between these two sentences?
Bugün çalışmam lazım
Bugün çalışmalıyım

2.       bod
5999 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 09:23 pm

Is nobody able to explain the difference between the above two sentences???

3.       oceanmavi
997 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 09:32 pm

Quoting bod:



Is there any difference in meaning between these two sentences?
Bugün çalışmam lazım
Bugün çalışmalıyım



i think 1 is also used for 'i have to work' whereas 2 is 'i must work'

4.       deli
5904 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 09:32 pm

Bugün çalışmam lazım
Bugün çalışmalıyım


the first is saying it is a must, a neccessity, that you work ,and the second is saying,you ought to should do or you must but not with the same importance ,maybe ,thats how i understand it

5.       CANLI
5084 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 09:40 pm

ok bod,let me give it a try

Bugün çalışmam lazım
Bugün çalışmalıyım

As i studied

İt is the difference between

necessity and intentions,

Bugün çalışmalıyım is intention,or hope,or wish,but it is not something you must do accourding to a rule,or something like that

but Bugün çalışmam lazım is necessity, something you MUST do ,like you must work every day or else you won't get paid

İ hope you understand what i ment

Correct me if i am wrong pls

6.       erdinc
2151 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 10:04 pm

These are equalent. The first one is a noun sentence and the second one is a verb sentence.

(Benim) Bugün çalışmam / lazım.
Subject / predicate

(Ben) / Bugün / çalışmalıyım.
Subject / indirect complement / predicate

7.       bod
5999 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 10:15 pm

Quoting erdinc:

These are equalent. The first one is a noun sentence and the second one is a verb sentence.



Are you saying that they have exactly equivalent meaning and that neither is preferred over the other?

8.       erdinc
2151 posts
 31 Jul 2006 Mon 10:19 pm

Evet.

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