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What is the difference?
1.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 03 Aug 2006 Thu 05:41 am

Merhaba,

Maybe I am missing something here, but can someone please tell me what is the difference between:

1) Türkçeyi iyi konuşuyorsunuz

and

2) Güzel Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz

-Can 2) be correct?
-Where does the "yi" in Türkçeyi come from?

Teşekkür Ederim

2.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 03 Aug 2006 Thu 06:04 am

Learning a language may become cumbersome, if you go too deep into details...just note the format, and leave the rest to time....

Türkçeyi iyi konuşuyorsunuz.
İyi Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz.

Futbolu iyi oynuyorsunuz.
İyi futbol oynuyorsunuz.

Both sentences, in each pair, is correct. There is however, a slight difference between the two sentences of each group.

The guy who tells you 'Türkçeyi iyi konuşuyorsunuz', has probably compared your Türkish with your French and though he thinks you are good at Turkish - he does not think much of your French (he is making an implied comparison between your two different languages)

'İyi Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz' is a straight compliment on your command of Turkish language.

3.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 03 Aug 2006 Thu 09:48 am

Teşekkürler

4.       CANLI
5084 posts
 03 Aug 2006 Thu 12:10 pm

Quoting gezbelle:

Merhaba,

Maybe I am missing something here, but can someone please tell me what is the difference between:

1) Türkçeyi iyi konuşuyorsunuz

and

2) Güzel Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz

-Can 2) be correct?
-Where does the "yi" in Türkçeyi come from?

Teşekkür Ederim



İ would answer question 2
Where does the "yi" in Türkçeyi come from?

(Y) here is a buffer to seperate between 2 vowels
(I ) is the (I ) case,it is causative case

Some verbs,takes a causative case, it should have an object

Like konuşmak ,means speak ,you must speak something,or speak to someone,so this action takes the (I ) case

And it is ofcourse can be ı,i,u,ü accourding to the vowel harmony rule
And it take a (Y) buffer to seperate between vowels, if the end of the word is a vowel too

like .. Seni konuşuyorum , this too is (I ) case, notice we didn't say Sen konuşuyorum

As for sentence 2, i don't know if it is correct or not,i for myself would write it like this

Güzel Türkçeyi konuşuyorsunuz

Correction is welcome pls

5.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 03 Aug 2006 Thu 07:57 pm

Quoting CANLI:


Güzel Türkçeyi konuşuyorsunuz

Correction is welcome pls



"Güzel Türkçe'yi konuşuyorsunuz" means:
You speak Turkish language which is beautiful.

Is there a ugly Turkish?

6.       CANLI
5084 posts
 03 Aug 2006 Thu 08:28 pm

Quoting caliptrix:



"Güzel Türkçe'yi konuşuyorsunuz" means:
You speak Turkish language which is beautiful.

Is there a ugly Turkish?



well,i was just trying to correct the grammar which in the sentence,not the meaning

And i think he/she meant

You speek good Türkçe

7.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 04 Aug 2006 Fri 12:20 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting caliptrix:



"Güzel Türkçe'yi konuşuyorsunuz" means:
You speak Turkish language which is beautiful.

Is there a ugly Turkish?



well,i was just trying to correct the grammar which in the sentence,not the meaning

And i think he/she meant

You speek good Türkçe


hehe i know, i was just kidding

8.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 04 Aug 2006 Fri 05:23 am

teşekkürler.

yup, by the 2 sentences i meant to say "you speak turkish well".

i just saw the 1st sentence "Türkçeyi iyi konuşuyorsunuz" in a textbook, but the 2nd sentence i made up myself.

i realise i could have used "İyi Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz" instead.

but i have also seen "çok güzel Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz" in the textbook too... so thought i could use "güzel Türkçe konuşuyorsunuz".

if any of that made any sense...

9.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Aug 2006 Fri 05:37 am

the point is,you cann't say just Türkçe at both cases

İt should be Türkçe'yi

And should be

Türkçe'yi çok güzel konuşuyorsun ...means you speak Turkish very good

But Çok güzel Türkçe'yi konuşuyorsun ...means, you speak Turkish which 'the language,not the way you speak 'is very good

you can see the difference ?

10.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 04 Aug 2006 Fri 07:09 am

evet, i see... both ur answers have been a big help.

thank u.

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