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Dropping a vowel
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 12:05 am |
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Ohhh help me... I'm new to learing Turkish and I'm stuck.
DROPPING A VOWEL...
example ---- MY CAR
suffix for my is ... -im
car is ... araba
vowel harmony rules will change -im to -ım but word cannot be arabaım.... this I understand because you cannot have 2 vowels together.
Im just a little confused as to which vowel I should drop and why...
I have read the notes on here regarding this.... but I'm still a little confused....
Can anyone please enlighten me... It's making me nuts.
çok teşekkür ederim
JOANNE
X :-S
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 12:13 am |
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Quoting IZMIR060406: Ohhh help me... I'm new to learing Turkish and I'm stuck.
DROPPING A VOWEL...
example ---- MY CAR
suffix for my is ... -im
car is ... araba
vowel harmony rules will change -im to -ım but word cannot be arabaım.... this I understand because you cannot have 2 vowels together.
Im just a little confused as to which vowel I should drop and why...
I have read the notes on here regarding this.... but I'm still a little confused....
Can anyone please enlighten me... It's making me nuts.
çok teşekkür ederim
JOANNE
X :-S |
car = araba
my car = arabam soo..
arabaim is incorrect because 2 vowels have come together! so you would drop the i and it becomes 'arabam'
but in some cases when 2 vowels come together you sometimes put 'y' eg:
zorunda - have
zorundayım - i have
maybe someone can explain it better im not good at explaining 
im not 100% sure though so can anyone please correct me..
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 01:09 am |
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Quoting IZMIR060406: Ohhh help me... I'm new to learing Turkish and I'm stuck.
DROPPING A VOWEL...
example ---- MY CAR
suffix for my is ... -im
car is ... araba
vowel harmony rules will change -im to -ım but word cannot be arabaım.... this I understand because you cannot have 2 vowels together.
Im just a little confused as to which vowel I should drop and why...
I have read the notes on here regarding this.... but I'm still a little confused....
Can anyone please enlighten me... It's making me nuts.
çok teşekkür ederim
JOANNE
X :-S |
Ok let me try to help,
First of all that is not a matter of dropping a vowel
When we want to say my car,that is a matter of possessive,so we use the possessive pronouns here İyelik Ekleri
And it has 2 shapes and both shapes follow the vowel harmony rule,it is diffrent if the last letter of the word contain a vowel or not
Check this out
Ben Sen O Biz Siz Onlar
Ben-im Sen-in O-nun Biz-im Siz-in Onlar-ın
mine yours his ours yours theirs
Araba m n sI mIz nIz lAn
Kız Im In I ImIz InIz lAn
Can you see the difference now ?
We put S with (O ) to separate between the vowels,and we put the (I ) with the others because there is no vowel at the end of the word
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 03:52 am |
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ok, here's my take on it. i'm still learning too, so please correct me if i'm wrong...
the reason "araba" becomes "arabam" and not "arabaım" is because it ends in a vowel. as u already know "arabaım" is incorrect.
note that "arabam" means my car. the ending "m" indicates possession.
on the other hand, something like "dostum" uses the ending "um" because the basic word "dost" doesn't end in a vowel.
when to use the preceding vowel in the ending depends on the last sound of the basic word and also follows vowel harmony.
araba-m
baba-m
anne-m
dost-um
kardeş-im
arkadaş-ım
something like "hastayım" (i am sick/ill) is different because it is a verbless sentence... it uses a form of the verb "to be".
u also see this in the form "iyiyim" (i am fine).
not sure if any of that made any sense 
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 05:25 am |
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"my" suffix is "-m"
"i am" suffix is "-im"
my car: araba+m=arabam
my computer: bilgisayar+m << but here we need a buffer, so we add ı and it is: bilgisayarım that is not "-ım"
"i am" is here: "-im"
i am a teacher: öğretmen+im= öğretmenim
i am a student: öğrenci+im << but here we cannot make this two vowel so we need a buffer, it is y here: öğrenci+yim
so, that is "-m" for "my", and "-im" for "i am"
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 08:01 am |
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caliptrix... i think ur explanation makes better sense than mine 
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 08:44 am |
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Quoting caliptrix: "my" suffix is "-m"
"i am" suffix is "-im"
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-m suffix can be shown as -(i)m
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-im suffix can be shown as -(y)im
In fact that is a convention in some grammar books.
In some examples one form can have different meanings depending on which syllable is stressed
Ex:
1st: Ço'cuğum -- Hey child
2nd: Çocu'ğum -- I am a child
3rd: Çocugum' -- My child
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 10:56 am |
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Ohhh thank you everyone.... I will read and try to make sense....
Will I ever get this vowel harmony?
Oh I hope so.
Thank you again everyone
JOANNE
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