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confused about when accusative case should be used
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:19 pm |
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i encountered this sentence in Rosetta Stone:
Adam portakal suyu içiyor.
apprently portakal suyu means orange juice, and i looked up the dictionary and found that "su" means both "water" and "juice", so i supposed "-yu" is the accusative case suffix...do i make sense?
but then there's numerous other sentences like "Adam su içiyor.", and no suffix is added to the object "su"...
and so i'm really confused...
sorry if my question seems stupid...
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:34 pm |
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Quoting iHeartCrouchy: i encountered this sentence in Rosetta Stone:
Adam portakal suyu içiyor.
apprently portakal suyu means orange juice, and i looked up the dictionary and found that "su" means both "water" and "juice", so i supposed "-yu" is the accusative case suffix...do i make sense?
but then there's numerous other sentences like "Adam su içiyor.", and no suffix is added to the object "su"...
and so i'm really confused...
sorry if my question seems stupid... |
-yu is 3rd person possessive suffix. It is the only irregular word in Turkish otherwise the possessive suffix would be -su after a vowel (i.e. portakal su-su but not the case).
Treat su as "suy" when adding possessive suffixes
suy-um -- my water
suy-un -- your water
suy-u -- his/her/its water
suy-umuz -- our water
suy-unuz -- your water
su-ları -- their water
It's because in old Turkish it was "suw" (instead of su).
I read somewhere that it may be of Chinese origin. What is the word for "water" in Chinese?
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:39 pm |
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f Quoting iHeartCrouchy: i encountered this sentence in Rosetta Stone:
Adam portakal suyu içiyor.
apprently portakal suyu means orange juice, and i looked up the dictionary and found that "su" means both "water" and "juice", so i supposed "-yu" is the accusative case suffix...do i make sense?
but then there's numerous other sentences like "Adam su içiyor.", and no suffix is added to the object "su"...
and so i'm really confused...
sorry if my question seems stupid... |
but its something to do with possessed ending
when you put two words together for example
cheese sandwich
it is peynir sandvicI
orange juice
portakal suyu,y acting as buffer to separate two vowels
usually if you need to separate vowels with these type of words you use a buffer s
but because portakal susu sounds funny they use a y
i think these type of words are called compound nouns
does it make any sense
:-S :-S
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:42 pm |
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take notice of aslan thats a much better explanation :-S
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:49 pm |
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Quoting aslan2: Quoting iHeartCrouchy: i encountered this sentence in Rosetta Stone:
Adam portakal suyu içiyor.
apprently portakal suyu means orange juice, and i looked up the dictionary and found that "su" means both "water" and "juice", so i supposed "-yu" is the accusative case suffix...do i make sense?
but then there's numerous other sentences like "Adam su içiyor.", and no suffix is added to the object "su"...
and so i'm really confused...
sorry if my question seems stupid... |
-yu is 3rd person possessive suffix. It is the only irregular word in Turkish otherwise the possessive suffix would be -su after a vowel (i.e. portakal su-su but not the case).
Treat su as "suy" when adding possessive suffixes
suy-um -- my water
suy-un -- your water
suy-u -- his/her/its water
suy-umuz -- our water
suy-unuz -- your water
su-ları -- their water
It's because in old Turkish it was "suw" (instead of su).
I read somewhere that it may be of Chinese origin. What is the word for "water" in Chinese? |
lol thx alot!!! i think i got it now!
in Chinese, the Pinyin (ie the Mandarin Chinese pronunciation system) for "water" is "shui", and it's pronounced like "sh-way" as in English...lol
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:52 pm |
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Quoting deli: f Quoting iHeartCrouchy: i encountered this sentence in Rosetta Stone:
Adam portakal suyu içiyor.
apprently portakal suyu means orange juice, and i looked up the dictionary and found that "su" means both "water" and "juice", so i supposed "-yu" is the accusative case suffix...do i make sense?
but then there's numerous other sentences like "Adam su içiyor.", and no suffix is added to the object "su"...
and so i'm really confused...
sorry if my question seems stupid... |
but its something to do with possessed ending
when you put two words together for example
cheese sandwich
it is peynir sandvicI
orange juice
portakal suyu,y acting as buffer to separate two vowels
usually if you need to separate vowels with these type of words you use a buffer s
but because portakal susu sounds funny they use a y
i think these type of words are called compound nouns
does it make any sense
:-S :-S |
yes it does!!! thx alot!!! but i'm still confused about when to add accusative suffix to a noun acting as object...it seems in some cases it does need it and in occasions otherwise they don't...
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:53 pm |
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Quoting iHeartCrouchy:
lol thx alot!!! i think i got it now!
in Chinese, the Pinyin (ie the Mandarin Chinese pronunciation system) for "water" is "shui", and it's pronounced like "sh-way" as in English...lol |
They may be the same word indeed.
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 12:56 pm |
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me too, but i am bad with the grammer side of any language, i dont undersand the technical terms at all, so it is taking me much longer to learn the language,ama hic vazgecemem, cunku azimliyim
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 01:03 pm |
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Quoting iHeartCrouchy:
yes it does!!! thx alot!!! but i'm still confused about when to add accusative suffix to a noun acting as object...it seems in some cases it does need it and in occasions otherwise they don't... |
We show accusative suffix as -(y)i. The "y" is the buffer letter which is added after a vowel. But if you add accusative suffix after a possessive suffix it becomes -(n)i (buffer letter becomes "n")
So
Portakal su-yu -- orange juice + 3rd POSS.
Portakal su-yu-nu -- orange juice + 3rd POSS. + ACCU.
Accusative is needed when it is definite object.
Portakal suyu içmek -- drink water juice
Portakal suyunu içmek -- drink the water juice
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21 Oct 2006 Sat 01:49 pm |
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Quoting aslan2: Quoting iHeartCrouchy:
yes it does!!! thx alot!!! but i'm still confused about when to add accusative suffix to a noun acting as object...it seems in some cases it does need it and in occasions otherwise they don't... |
We show accusative suffix as -(y)i. The "y" is the buffer letter which is added after a vowel. But if you add accusative suffix after a possessive suffix it becomes -(n)i (buffer letter becomes "n")
So
Portakal su-yu -- orange juice + 3rd POSS.
Portakal su-yu-nu -- orange juice + 3rd POSS. + ACCU.
Accusative is needed when it is definite object.
Portakal suyu içmek -- drink water juice
Portakal suyunu içmek -- drink the water juice |
thank you so much!!! and while we're at it, can you tell me what the suffix -(y)an is for? those suffix dictionaries have so many versions...
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