because of their different points of view (male or female)

Thanks fuki

´yüzden´ was just careless of me

´iþten sonra´ - of course! - again not thinking enough - I was going for ´after my work´

but.....why is ´hoþlandým´ wrong please?  My dictionary says that ´-den hoþlanmak´ = ´to be fond of/have a liking for´  - you don´t ´have a fondness´ for talking to someone on the telephone!  (at least not in English)

Umm it´s not actually "being fond of" but I´ll try to explain it with examples, let´s see..

Seninle alýþveriþe gitmek hoþuma gidiyor.

This is saying that the person "likes" doing an action with the other person "sen".

I like shopping with you.

but;

Seninle alýþveriþe gitmekten hoþlanýyorum.

it is again "I like shopping with you" but sounds kind of weird for some reason I can´t put my finger on.

Senden hoþlanýyorum.

in this case, the subject is liking the other, not doing an action with him/her.

I like you.

Elbisen hoþuma gitti.

I like your dress.

now you´re going to say that this is not doing an action so it should be "elbisenden hoþlandým".  Well actually both of them work.  But;

Hoþuma gittin.  I like you

O çocuk hoþuma gitti. I like that guy.

now, these are also useable, HOWEVER, they sound a little colloquial to me, because of the fact that the person the subject is talking about is being "objectified", thus put in the position of an "object" rather than a human-being.

correct me if I´m wrong please=)

Thanks Angel - good explanation.  I can see it now!

As you quoted above, hoþlanmak always comes with -den. "Seninle konuþmaktan hoþlandým."

Hoþuna gitmek never takes -den. "Seninle konuþmak hoþuma gitti."

To clarify the point, here is an example from English:

You marry someone

but

You are married with someone

For sure....Confused dot com.. Lol

I agree. I also interpret being "objectified", in this example, as being liked for physical appearance.

He might enjoy being liked as an object, though!

but;

Seninle alýþveriþe gitmekten hoþlanýyorum.

it is again "I like shopping with you" but sounds kind of weird for some reason I can´t put my finger on.

...my turkish teacher (at the uni) explained us this thing with estonian examples (how can i explain the same thing in english, i don´t know...) ...but in his explanations the thought of it came out smth like...i am doing the liking (process) and it is motivated from the reason named you... that´s why FROM going shoping with you...coz if you wouldn´t come with me, i would not like to go either...but i get motivated FROM your action of going shoping - and i like to go with you...ohhhhhh...in estonian it sounded so clear 

I appreciate your help Fuki - and I know you are a teacher - but in English we don´t say ´married with someone´ - this is Turklish(!) and I hear Turkish friends say it all the time!!  But ´married to´ is the correct expression.  

But isn´t this one of the most difficult problems when we are trying to learn each other´s language?  So many words never translate directly - another frequent example I hear being ´Open/close the light´ (Turkish version) and ´Put/turn the light on/off´ (English).

yes it makes difficult to learn languages if you don´t know the "way of thinking" of another language coz, for example, in estonian you ARE married WITH someone just like in turkish and yet - sooooo many things in estonian we DON´T say the same way as in turkish and for me it´s soooo confusing...