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Thread: canim istanbul

221.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 04:58 pm

to each of you a heartfelt cok tesekkurler for sharing these musical treats. I sincerely enjoyed them!



Thread: Women in the life of Ataturk

222.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 04:52 pm

Mustafa Kemal had a strained relationship with most women who entered his life. His  mother, Zubeyde, wanted him to become a religious scholar, and it is ironical that he  became the person who eventually uprooted the  centuries-old privileges of the religious elite in the entire history of Turkey. For a brief time in his youth he hated his  mother, but later they were reconciled and he never stopped loving her again. She was a  traditional oriental woman – weak, fragile and feminine but inexhaustible in her power of  endurance. Possibly, Mustafa Kemal inherited her power of endurance, and her will to  survive. Also, it seems likely that in his early confrontations with her mother the boy also  learnt how to resist emotional blackmails of all kinds. He later used this ability to block  out even his own emotions if he thought they could get in the way of what he wanted. 


Fikriye was a distant relative of Zubeyde´s second husband. She became enamored with the young soldier and remained his "companion" for many years. Mustafa Kemal, however, packed her off without second thoughts once he was fed up of her company. Upon learning the news of Mustafa Kemal´s marriage with Latife, a feminist, Fikriye rushed back home where she was stopped from seeing the great leader on his own orders. She committed suicide. The over-efficient police went overboard in clearing up her residence of all suspect material and this gave an opportunity to the family of Fikriye Khanum to accuse Mustafa Kemal of assassinating her. However, this accusation seems very ill founded. 


Latife, the only woman who inspired Mustafa Kemal to get married, was a feminist in her own age. The relationship turned bitter once the honeymoon was over. Although Mustafa Kemal was an ardent advocate of equality between the sexes and introduced many reforms to liberate the women of his country (Turkey was among the earliest states to grant women the right to vote), in his personal life Mustafa Kemal found it very difficult  to cut himself down to the role of a husband. The marriage ended in a quick divorce. 


Towards the end of his life, Mustafa Kemal began adopting daughters. One of them,  Sabiha Gokcen, was tested for her loyalty to her "father" when she was given a revolver  and asked to shoot herself in the head. She complied, but the firearm wasn´t loaded. She  was then chosen to become a military pilot. She remained fanatically devoted to Ataturk  to the end of her life. 


Ironically, the book that introduced Ataturk as a hero for all the world outside Turkey,  also accused him of many ignoble vices. This was Grey Wolf, written by H. C.  Armstrong and published in 1932. Not surprisingly, the book was immediately banned by  Ataturk and the sanction wasn´t lifted until the 1990´s. However, it is said that Ataturk  got it translated for his personal benefit and after listening to the entire translation,  declared: "That fellow has made too little of our pleasures. Let me complete the account,  and then the book will be allowed and everyone able to read it." 


On other occasions he  made little effort to conceal what would be seen as his ignoble activities in the  conservative Turkish society. On one occasion when he was in a boat with his drinking  companions and happened to pass upon some innocent citizens, he lifted his glass to them  and yelled: "This is liquor. This is what we drink."  Indeed, Ataturk was a man of many dimensions but his rare virtue was his ability to keep  the personal separate from the political. His own temperament about women didn´t stop  him from getting them a respectable place in the society.


http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/ataturk2.htm


 



Thread: Mustafa Kemal

223.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 04:27 pm

In ´´Latife Hanim,´´ a best-selling biography, the Turkish author Ipek Calislar describes a tense night in April 1923 when mutinous soldiers intent on killing the war hero Mustafa Kemal laid siege to the palace in Ankara where he lived with his new wife.The soldiers agreed, after some negotiation, to free the women and children they held hostage. What the soldiers did not know, Calislar writes, was that a plan had been hatched to save the future president of Turkey. He and his wife, Latife Ussaki, swapped clothes. She remained behind, dressed as a man to disorient the would-be assassins, while he fled, disguised in her black chador.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-132590987.html

 



Thread: STAND BY ME

224.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 05:51 am

 

Music and Dance Native American

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VkJvUTY2Dw&feature=related

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydVYskJire8&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGZXuNpR4I&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xAq5tyxF98&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrvjHfqk9mA&feature=related



Thread: The Edge of Heaven

225.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 05:25 am

I just finished watching Fatih Akin´s movie :  THE EDGE OF HEAVEN and can recommend it highly. Excellent movie!



Thread: Professor Baskin Oran

226.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 10:17 pm

 is an advocate of reconciliation between Turks and Armenians. His daughter, however, had to withdraw her candidacy in the French local polls amid pressure from French Armenians.

A Turkish candidate standing in French local elections has been forced to withdraw her candidacy amid pressure from Armenian groups who wanted her to publicly recognize Armenian claims of . . genocide in the final years of the Ottoman Empire.

The candidate, a member of the Greens Party, was the daughter of Professor Baskin Oran, who himself was a candidate for Parliament in Turkey´s July 22 elections, Today´s Zaman has learned. Professor Oran, a liberal, campaigns in Turkey for reconciliation with Armenians and has passionately called for punishment for those who are behind the January 2007 murder of Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink in Istanbul. Sirma Oran, who has been living in France for a long time, had to withdraw her candidacy for the city council in Villeurbaunne after she had been pressed by Mayor Jean-Paul Bret to visit an Armenian "genocide" monument in Lyon and make a public statement backing the genocide charges.

Bret, a politician from the French Socialist Party, which is cooperating with the Greens in the local elections slated for March, is known to have close ties with the Armenian diaspora in France. He was the chair of the French-Armenian caucus in the French National Assembly during his term as a lawmaker. French news reports said he had forced Oran to make a public statement backing the alleged genocide after an Armenian member of the city council threatened to resign if she is elected.

Under pressure from Bret, Oran met with a group consisting of representatives from local Armenian groups and the politicians from the Socialist and Greens parties in a closed-door meeting and assured them that she believed that an Armenian genocide had happened in eastern Anatolia during the final years of World War I, as Armenians claim. But she later came to the conclusion that she would have to deal with constant problems due to her ethnic identity as a Turk even if she were elected to the Villeurbaunne City Council and thus decided to withdraw her candidacy after she had been forced to make the same statements publicly, sources told Today´s Zaman.

Béatrice Vessilier, a representative of the Greens in Villeurbanne, speaking with Today´s Zaman, expressed her deep disappointment over the incident. "None of us expected the issue to come to this point. I´m so sorry -- also in regards to the political ethic," Vessilier said. She also emphasized that Oran withdrew her candidacy at her own initiative because she didn´t want to be on the political agenda solely related to this issue if elected. "She [Oran] didn´t want to be reduced to her ethnic roots as an elected person and to be constantly annoyed because of that," Vessilier added.

Vessilier said that Bret´s demand was "not easy to be fulfilled" by Oran, while describing Bret as "extremely engaged concerning the genocide issue."

Richard Llung, Bret´s election director, defended Bret´s stance, saying that nobody should look for "courtesy" when the issue is politics. "Every politician represents himself, but also represents the society that he belongs to. This treatment … may well be very brutal. However, politics is not a profession that has courtesy in it," Llung said.

Ali Gedikoglu, chairman of the France-based Cojep Platform -- a multicultural youth association established by Turks in France -- said the incident in Villeurbanne was not an exception, as young politicians who are members of the Cojep have been constantly pressured in districts where there is a dominant Armenian population.

The Socialist Party, which had in the past gained huge support from Turks, has gradually lost this support due to these kinds of discriminatory policies, Gedikoglu added. "I´m calling on Armenians to act in a responsible manner. Nonetheless, I´m also calling on the Turkish community who has left our daughter [Oran] alone in this struggle. The indifference of the Turkish community encourages this kind of inappropriate treatment," Gedikoglu said.

Relations between Turkey and France were strained after the French parliament approved a bill criminalizing the denial of the alleged genocide in 2006. The bill, backed by the Socialist Party, drew ire from Ankara, which said relations had sustained a heavy blow with the law. France´s 400,000-strong Armenian community constitutes a formidable voter bloc. Former French leaders said that Turkey must accept the alleged genocide to become a member of the EU, while the country´s current president, Nicolas Sarkozy, is against Turkish entry under any condition.

Ankara rejects outright the Armenian claims of genocide and calls for joint research of the events of the years of World War I, a proposal that has not been welcomed by Armenia.
29.01.2008 A. Ihsan Aydin, Fatih Yetim Paris, Lyon, Zaman.

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/01/2310-professor-baskin-orans-daughter.html



Thread: Traditional mediterranean architecture

227.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 09:17 pm

all in Turkish, a variety of wonderful Turkish architecture. I love it.

 

http://www.maliye.gov.tr/defterdarliklar/tokat/ilimiz_tarihieser.htm



Thread: what caught my eye today

228.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 07:42 pm

Charlie Rose - Rashid Khalidi               super, excellent interview

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si4n4Og1OZY



Thread: what caught my eye today

229.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Jan 2009 Tue 10:09 pm

Israeli students call Barak ´murderer´
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak has cancelled his visit to a university in Tel Aviv after being called a ´murderer´ by the students.

Barak canceled his visit to Tel Aviv University´s Law Department, after a graffiti sprayed on the walls of the building called him a ´murderer´, Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported Monday.

The incident came after Israel launched a unilateral all-out military offensive against the Gaza Strip, killing at least 1,300 people including women and children.

The graffiti was drawn on the entryway to the Law Department ahead of the defense minister´s visit.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=82968&sectionid=351020202


Tel Aviv has been internationally condemned for launching the war on Gaza which eventually failed to achieve even the primary goals set in the beginning of offensive.



Thread: Crisis to revisit Turkish-US relations

230.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Jan 2009 Tue 09:54 pm

Jan. 27, 2009   ZAMAN



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