Really?

You mean white english scottish and welsh do force their daughters into marriage?

So far it is a Turkish problem because the initial post was saying so, plus Turkey itself is enough big source.

As you say you dont know much about the situation there, then what was your point? What input you wanted to add?

Im still curious about Turkish men´s opinions here.

I do not need to do research alameda, I live it every day.  I work in a male dominated industry.  I do the same work a man does, I wear a suit, I deal with critical situation.  When the day is over I enjoy a good glass of wine.  When I get home I remove my vest cook the evening meal, set the table and when it is done I clean the table, then there is the laundry and the house cleaning and the kids. Now, my suits do not make me look like a man, on the contrary I am feminan if I do say so.  Now why should I be payed half the salary that a man is payed for the same work?  Just because I do not have an appendage hanging between my legs and that I do not have testosterone pouring out of me?

Should I be religated to the kitchen, barefoot and pregant and with no education and that from the age of 12?  Should I wear dresses and laces and cover my hair and act demure?  A woman can be feminine even if she wears a suit and make executive decisions like a man.  The only diffrence is that we can have children oh and I wear lace under my suits.

A 12 year old girl´s body is not yet ready to have babies since they are children themselves. Women are not breeding machines, we are not on this earth to please a man and give him offsprings.  Women are intitle to an education, to a childhood to make her own decisions concerning who she marries and who she is wants to spend the rest of her life with and have children with, if she wants to have children. 

So I ask, why should anyone have the power to decide the faith of a young girl and marrie her off into servitude?

The good book says the best (divinely intended) place for any lady is in her home, by her children (cooking and providing offsprings are both on).

If however, they are happier with and more successful with what they find outside, they are welcome to it as well.

Why the bitterness?

Is the object to win,

To win whom? You? What for?

or is the object to communicate?

What did you communicate so far except for accusing DD for insulting you (which was exxagerated), changing the topic into the history of Europe and West, adding the age consent, or again blaming others that your dear muslimah sisters left the site?

Do you want to confront, or do you want to understand?

I understand farer than you imagine.

There is discussion and argument, I am not trying to win a debate,

Neither me. But I know you will do evverything to divert the attention.

which does not seek to come to the truth, but rather to beat down the "opponent" with clever manipulation of words, and I don´t think you do either, do you?

Alameda, I cant be bothered to beat you down. I have done it in the past and I am not proud of it.

I don´t see you as an opponent, but rather someone I want to understand so as to be able to live on this earth in some type of harmony. Maybe if we learn to be more hospitable our discussions would be even more interesting when they included more diverse ideas.

Alameda, We differ and we differ much.

I do not seek harmony nor peace or understanding, happiness etc. All I seek is God. He is my ultimate desire. You and I perish one day together with our harmony and understanding. Nothing will survive.

I don´t know where you come from lemon but not all Scottish citizens are white.  The Scottish parliament are planning to introduce legislation to prevent forced marriage. Arranged marriages would not be affected.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/200246-protection-against-forced-marriage-outlined/

I know this thread is about Turkey but to imply it is only a Turkish problem is plain silly, it is a world wide problem.

The good book says the best (divinely intended) place for any lady is in her home, by her children (cooking and providing offsprings are both on).

If however, they are happier with and more successful with what they find outside, they are welcome to it as well.

Why the bitterness?

I don´t know where you come from lemon but not all Scottish citizens are white.  The Scottish parliament are planning to introduce legislation to prevent forced marriage. Arranged marriages would not be affected.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/200246-protection-against-forced-marriage-outlined/

I know this thread is about Turkey but to imply it is only a Turkish problem is plain silly, it is a world wide problem.

Which "good book" are you referring to?!

I love the way you talk of women as though they are household pets!  I really had no idea there were still people like you around in 2010 - I will be nominating you for World Heritage status - you should be preserved as an historic old relic!

The good book says the best (divinely intended) place for any lady is in her home, by her children (cooking and providing offsprings are both on).

If however, they are happier with and more successful with what they find outside, they are welcome to it as well.

Why the bitterness?

The good book in reference is called "Pearls of Wisdom" by AlphaF..