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13 Jul 2007 Fri 01:56 am |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting elham: yes , you are right, Freedom false  |
You equate sexual freedom with immorality?  |
There is no freedom named freedom of sexuality , sex with the husband only, all religions say this, did you hear ring chastity, which some students wearing it in England , what do you think why they wear it?
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:02 am |
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Quoting elham: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting elham: yes , you are right, Freedom false |
You equate sexual freedom with immorality? |
There is no freedom named freedom of sexuality , sex with the husband only, all religions say this, did you hear ring chastity, which some students wearing it in England , what do you think why they wear it? |
"Sex with husband only"???? Is there not a SINGLE part of your brain that tells you this is unfair? What about "sex with WIFE only"?
There IS a freedom called "freedom of sexuality". It is about respecting YOURSELF and YOUR values and being the one who has control over your OWN body - not your husband, not your boyfriend, not your religious leader. You see "sexual freedom" as a negative. Please remember that "sexual freedom" also means having the RIGHT to REFUSE sex - from ANYONE!
I am sorry, but I call immorality cheating, stealing, lying and especially CONTROLLING other human beings.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:13 am |
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Quote: The case of virginity is wonderful for those who choose to wait, but the so called "virginity test" is in no way accurate and I've worked in the medical field all my life. It really bothers me that some girls have been accused of lying based on these tests. |
I totally agree with this statement.The hymen membrane of a female can be broken without having sex.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:20 am |
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Quoting aenigma x: "Sex with husband only"???? Is there not a SINGLE part of your brain that tells you this is unfair? What about "sex with WIFE only"?
There IS a freedom called "freedom of sexuality". It is about respecting YOURSELF and YOUR values and being the one who has control over your OWN body - not your husband, not your boyfriend, not your religious leader. You see "sexual freedom" as a negative. Please remember that "sexual freedom" also means having the RIGHT to REFUSE sex - from ANYONE!
I am sorry, but I call immorality cheating, stealing, lying and especially CONTROLLING other human beings. |
+100000000000 
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:21 am |
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Yes, Yilgun is right…
“Virginity is precondition among youngs (female and male) for marriage in Türkiye according to Turkish Traditional Community Culture, Turkish Tradition or customâ€.
“Marriages (love) requires two people only according to human being psychology, nobility and moralityâ€.
However, virginity starts in brains first and ends on body next…
As you know well marriage and family life (love) is holy…
yes, he is right...
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:25 am |
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Quoting elham: sex with the husband only, all religions say this, did you hear ring chastity, which some students wearing it in England , what do you think why they wear it? |
Of course many (not all!!) religions say the same Elham . They are all interpreted by MEN and they must protect themselves from jealousy!! You will find that Christians used to have a similar sexist "law" which applied only to women. It no longer exists in mainstream Christian religions and there is no evidence in the Bible (although also written by MEN) that it ever existed either 
Yes I have heard of this "cult" of wearing a Chastity Ring. What it ACTUALLY means is that you have so little self respect or control over your own body that you will entrust it's use to your future husband. You are giving your future husband power and control, the right to abuse and rape you, do what the hell he likes to you.
I would respect anyone who chose to remain a virgin, but I cannot respect someone who does this in order to present their body as a "gift" to their husband. Deciding to be a virgin doesn't require a ring...the ring is a sinister, santimonious kind of perceived oneupmanship over people who made different choices.
This Chastity Ring merely shows that the wearer does not have the intelligence or enough respect for themselves to make decisions about their own body after marriage.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 11:11 am |
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Quoting aenigma x:
"Sex with husband only"???? Is there not a SINGLE part of your brain that tells you this is unfair? What about "sex with WIFE only"?
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I think she also wants to mean "sex with wife only", because in Islam for both sexes (and I really mean for both sexes) sex out of marriage is strictly forbidden, in Iran lately a man has been stoned for having committed zina (I do not understand in which part of Kuran stoning is allowed for zina)
But then, I'd say "freedom of Religion".
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 12:55 pm |
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Quoting mltm: But then, I'd say "freedom of Religion". |
I have every respect for people's faith. What I object to is sanctimonious oneupmanship by certain faiths towards others and, in particular, male interpretations of their faith. For example you mention that BOTH sexes in Islam should not have sex outside marriage and yet culture only concentrates on this being necessary to the woman.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 01:38 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting elham: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting elham: yes , you are right, Freedom false |
You equate sexual freedom with immorality? |
There is no freedom named freedom of sexuality , sex with the husband only, all religions say this, did you hear ring chastity, which some students wearing it in England , what do you think why they wear it? |
"Sex with husband only"???? Is there not a SINGLE part of your brain that tells you this is unfair? What about "sex with WIFE only"?
There IS a freedom called "freedom of sexuality". It is about respecting YOURSELF and YOUR values and being the one who has control over your OWN body - not your husband, not your boyfriend, not your religious leader. You see "sexual freedom" as a negative. Please remember that "sexual freedom" also means having the RIGHT to REFUSE sex - from ANYONE!
I am sorry, but I call immorality cheating, stealing, lying and especially CONTROLLING other human beings. |
dear aenigma,
we are talking about virginity, which belong to women, so im not wrong when i said sex with the husband only,
so pls dont be hurry to say sarcastic words 
you didnt answer me about ring chastity which wear it some of girls? thats i meant all religions prevent sex before marriage
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 01:44 pm |
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Dear Elham,
I was also responding to your comment "there is no freedom of sexuality".
And...I repeat, why do you think virginity applies to women only?
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 01:45 pm |
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Dear Elham,
I DID reply to you about this ring. Please see my reply below Perhaps YOU should be in less of a hurry to post a sarcastic reply
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting elham: sex with the husband only, all religions say this, did you hear ring chastity, which some students wearing it in England , what do you think why they wear it? |
Of course many (not all!!) religions say the same Elham . They are all interpreted by MEN and they must protect themselves from jealousy!! You will find that Christians used to have a similar sexist "law" which applied only to women. It no longer exists in mainstream Christian religions and there is no evidence in the Bible (although also written by MEN) that it ever existed either
Yes I have heard of this "cult" of wearing a Chastity Ring. What it ACTUALLY means is that you have so little self respect or control over your own body that you will entrust it's use to your future husband. You are giving your future husband power and control, the right to abuse and rape you, do what the hell he likes to you.
I would respect anyone who chose to remain a virgin, but I cannot respect someone who does this in order to present their body as a "gift" to their husband. Deciding to be a virgin doesn't require a ring...the ring is a sinister, santimonious kind of perceived oneupmanship over people who made different choices.
This Chastity Ring merely shows that the wearer does not have the intelligence or enough respect for themselves to make decisions about their own body after marriage. |
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