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130.       CANLI
5084 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:25 am

 

Quoting Roswitha

A different subject re: USA - Now I Understand why they hate us, by David Hilfiker, Alter Net

 

(long, worth reading)

 

 

http://www.alternet.org/story/119065/

 

 Havent read ´t all yet,but agree worth reading

Ý agree with that comment too

 

´´The majority of the world loved USA, it´s people and it´s culture, it was a symbol of freedom (the American dream was also a dream for people around the world) in a time not so long ago.´´

 

Ý remember there was times when we were younger,you could hear such question

Do you love your country more or USA ?

Yes,the American dream was also a dream of people from other countries,but i agree..not anymore !

131.       Henry
2604 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:28 am

Quote:femmeous

Tassia - I have deleted your post because of the first sentence.

 

 again?  i havent read it 

 

People will always be curious as to what they missed! {#lang_emotions_sad} 

From memory the deleted post made a reference to Hitler´s approach to Jewish people.

It also pointed out the unacceptability of both what Hitler did, and the current situation for Gazan Palestinian civilians.

Unfortunately until a workable cease-fire eventuates many more people will sadly die. Such conflict generates so much hatred and problems in our world. 

132.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:36 am

 

Quoting Henry

People will always be curious as to what they missed! {#lang_emotions_sad} 

From memory the deleted post made a reference to Hitler´s approach to Jewish people.

It also pointed out the unacceptability of both what Hitler did, and the current situation for Gazan Palestinian civilians.

Unfortunately until a workable cease-fire eventuates many more people will sadly die. Such conflict generates so much hatred and problems in our world. 

 

I deleted the post because of her first sentence not the whole post.  I like your euphemestic interpretation of what she actually said.

133.       Henry
2604 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:42 am

I also understand why it was deleted.

I didn´t elaborate or quote the exact sentiment of the post, so that my post hopefully wouldn´t offend in the same way.

134.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:48 am

 

Quoting Henry

I also understand why it was deleted.

I didn´t elaborate or quote the exact sentiment of the post, so that my post hopefully wouldn´t offend in the same way.

 

OK - I did realise that - sorry if I was a bit sarcastic   {#lang_emotions_flowers}   - but that was the second post of that type yesterday.

 

 

135.       Henry
2604 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:58 am

 

Quoting lady in red

OK - I did realise that - sorry if I was a bit sarcastic   {#lang_emotions_flowers}   - but that was the second post of that type yesterday.

 

Sorun deðil L.I.R.

I appreciate the necessary work of moderators. {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

136.       femmeous
2642 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 03:49 pm

 dear henry, thank you for sharing the deleted post

its a shame that theres no freedom of speech in here. everyone should be able to express him/herself no matter how hurtful the comment could be to others. adults should be able to cope with each other, if they cant stand other opinions then they are not mature enough to join the discussion/debates.

Quoting Henry

 

People will always be curious as to what they missed! {#lang_emotions_sad} 

From memory the deleted post made a reference to Hitler´s approach to Jewish people.

It also pointed out the unacceptability of both what Hitler did, and the current situation for Gazan Palestinian civilians.

Unfortunately until a workable cease-fire eventuates many more people will sadly die. Such conflict generates so much hatred and problems in our world. 

 

 

137.       femmeous
2642 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 03:54 pm

 

Quoting Henry

Sorun deðil L.I.R.

I appreciate the necessary work of moderators. {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 oh, in here i disagree with you. mods should have more time for themselves. we should care for them, care for their delicate hearts. they should often relax in a bath with aroma oils (better if they are all together), then should enjoy some coffee and watch dvd (we should buy them lots of dvd). we should send them to nice places on vacations. i think my idea of a mod is great.

138.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 04:31 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 oh, in here i disagree with you. mods should have more time for themselves. we should care for them, care for their delicate hearts. they should often relax in a bath with aroma oils (better if they are all together), then should enjoy some coffee and watch dvd (we should buy them lots of dvd). we should send them to nice places on vacations. i think my idea of a mod is great.

 

 Femme you are so sweet!   I will pm you my address and a list of dvd´s I would like

139.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 05:21 pm

Human Rights Watch

Israel: Stop Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza

 

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/10/israel-stop-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza

 

Rights Watch

Israel: Stop Shelling Crowded Gaza City

Firing 155mm shells into the center of Gaza City, whatever the target, will likely cause horrific civilian casualties. By using this weapon in such circumstances, Israel is committing indiscriminate attacks in violation of the laws of war.

Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch
Effect of 155mm Artillery Indiscriminate in Populated Areas
January 16, 2009

(Jerusalem, January 16, 2009) - Israel´s use of heavy artillery in residential areas of Gaza City violates the prohibition under the laws of war against indiscriminate attacks and should be stopped immediately, Human Rights Watch said today. A Human Rights Watch researcher on the Israel-Gaza border on January 15, 2009, observed Israel´s repeated use in the center of Gaza City of 155mm artillery shells, which inflict blast and fragmentation damage up to 300 meters away.

"Firing 155mm shells into the center of Gaza City, whatever the target, will likely cause horrific civilian casualties," said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. "By using this weapon in such circumstances, Israel is committing indiscriminate attacks in violation of the laws of war."

According to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), Israel yesterday shelled the relief organization´s main compound in Gaza City, wounding three people. UNRWA believes that white phosphorus used in the attack set part of the compound on fire. Up to 700 city residents had fled there in the morning to seek refuge after intense fighting in the area. The Human Rights Watch researcher also witnessed ground-burst 155mm white phosphorus strikes in Gaza City.

"We warned the Israelis hour by hour through the night of the vulnerabilities here as the shells came closer and closer, and shrapnel was coming into the compound on a regular occasion," John Ging, UNWRA´s Gaza director of operations, told the media. "Nonetheless, we have now been subjected to these direct hits."

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert apologized for the attack, but said Israeli forces had come under fire from the UN compound.  "It is absolutely true that we were attacked from that place, but the consequences are very sad and we apologize for it," he said.

The death toll from yesterday´s military operations remains unknown, but media reports quoted Gaza health officials as saying that 70 people had died (the reports make no distinction between civilian and combatant casualties). As of January 14, 1,013 Palestinians had died, including 322 children and 76 women, according to the Gazan Ministry of Health. An additional 4,560 Palestinians reportedly have been wounded, including 1,600 children and 678 women.

The attacks on Gaza City occurred after the Israel Defense Force (IDF) had warned Gaza´s residents to flee to city centers.  According to the Israeli government, on January 3, the IDF began broadcasting warnings that told people, among other things, that "For your own safety, you are required to leave your homes immediately and move to the city centers."  Despite these warnings, the IDF has launched attacks against the Gaza city center, causing civilian casualties.

"Israel warned civilians to go to city centers and later shelled the center of Gaza City with a weapon that should never be used in densely populated areas," Garlasco said. 

According to media reports and aid groups, Israeli forces today also fired upon a hospital and an international media center. The World Health Organization (WHO) told Human Rights Watch that Israeli shells had struck the al-Quds hospital in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood, setting it on fire. The fire was extinguished, but about 100 patients had to be evacuated. Between 150 and 500 patients were in the hospital at the time, WHO said.

Israeli fire also hit the al-Shurouq tower, which houses media outlets such as Reuters, al-Arabiyya Television, and al-Hayat newspaper, causing substantial damage and wounding at least two journalists, including one who worked for the Abu Dhabi television channel. Media organizations had provided the Israeli military with the GPS locations of all their offices. Israeli forces told the media that they had come under fire from the building. It is not clear if Israeli forces hit the building using artillery or tank shells.

Human Rights Watch is unable to conduct full investigations into alleged laws of war violations by either side because of Israel´s continuing denial of access to Gaza.

Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have also violated the laws of war by continuing to fire unguided Qassam and Grad rockets at population centers in Israel. A Human Rights Watch researcher on the Gazan border yesterday saw the firing of a Qassam rocket that hit outside Sderot, causing no injuries. Such rockets have killed three Israeli civilians and injured at least 78 since December 27.

International humanitarian law, or the laws of war, prohibits indiscriminate attacks. Indiscriminate attacks are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction. Examples of indiscriminate attacks are those that are not directed at a specific military objective or that use weapons that cannot be directed at a specific military objective. Prohibited indiscriminate attacks include area bombardment, which are attacks by artillery or other means that treat as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in an area containing a concentration of civilians and civilian objects.

The expected lethal radius for a 155mm high explosive projectile, such as the artillery the IDF is  currently using in Gaza City, is reportedly between 50 and 150 meters and the expected casualty radius is between 100 and 300 meters. IDF officials have previously said that the error radius for a 155mm shell is usually 25 meters. Therefore, if the IDF fires shells as close as 100 meters to populated areas, it greatly increases the likelihood of civilian casualties.

In Human Rights Watch´s June 2007 report "Indiscriminate Fire: Palestinian Rocket Attacks on Israel and Israeli Artillery Shelling in the Gaza Strip," Human Rights Watch made the following recommendations to Israel concerning the use of artillery in densely populated areas of Gaza.  Human Rights Watch called upon Israel to:

  • Cease artillery attacks using weapons such as 155mm artillery in situations and locales where the degree of weapon targeting accuracy and the shells´ casualty radius do not allow for attacks that can discriminate between civilians and combatants.
  • Cease artillery attacks in or near populated areas that are likely to cause civilian harm that is excessive compared to the expected military advantage.
  • Ensure that all artillery attacks are directed at a genuine military objective, and not overly expansive conceptions of "area denial" that are inconsistent with international humanitarian law. Cease any attacks as soon as it becomes known that they are not being directed at a genuine military objective or are not distinguishing between combatants and civilians.
  • Ensure, in cooperation with Palestinian counterparts, that effective communications mechanisms are in place to relay promptly information on attacks threatening civilian harm, and take appropriate measures to reduce the threat to civilians when such information is provided.
  • Collect and analyze data regarding Palestinian civilian casualties from artillery shelling in order to assess the harm to civilians caused by the use of artillery in particular locales and situations, and thus to base targeting decisions on a proper weighing of foreseeable civilian harm.

140.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Jan 2009 Sat 06:04 pm

Well, I was right all along when I was saying ´even the grown ups dont know who to blame, and mix up jews with Israeli government´:

 

Turkish Jewish community concerned

.. various anti-Semitic articles in the conservative daily Vakit, according to the report of daily Milliyet. Hasan Karakaya, a columnist at Vakit, recently wrote: "Jew equals terrorist." 

...The advertisements say "You can´t be Moses´ son" 

..

 various hotels in Antalya for putting up signs that read: "Israeli tourists may not enter." 

 

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10794413.asp?gid=243

 

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