What do you know about our police or anything, and who are you to judge what is going on?  God has given brains to everyone of us so that we think for ourselves, but it seems some people lost that ability, and believe in what is said in media or by the people who has benefit out of it..  we don´t have a condition for the entry to police force, saying that you have to be of Turkish ethnic group.  And believe me you meet kurdish people everyday in every job or government office.. 

you know nothing about racism, it is there mostly in the developed countries.. It is racism when you don´t get a job, or people simply stop talking to you because you are not one of them,  or you are a potential terrorist everywhere you go.

well i was talking about police... and i will tell you something

Last week i was walking home ( from þiþli to taksim ) with my colleague and two cops stopped us and they asked my id card but they didnt have colleague´s id... it is only because i have dark skin, dark eyes - typical kurdish -  do you now understand better? and believe me it is not a few people. i swear i am asked to show my id card at least twice a week by the same cops in my neighbourhood. please do not tell me there is no discrimination in turkey. to accept we have such problems does not make you a traitor. it just shows you are mature enough to criticise yourself.

 and can you tell since when it is happening?  Was anybody asking you your ID 2 years back?

for 10 years !!!

 How do you know what I know, or don´t know eh?  You are the ignorant one if you believe what you wrote above.

Racism is not just about the things you listed, (or Sui´s idea that it is about sending ethnics to prison!!!).  It is everywhere, particular within police forces.  In the UK racism among police is a big problem, and I KNOW it is also a problem in Turkey and Ciko´s post confirms it.  It is not about detaining people...it is about abusing your power by bullying and intimidation.

 We can´t judge a nation because of some irresponsible people.  I am sorry that you have suffered and still suffering.. but do you really think fighting with the military forces, killing people , and getting a land???? would solve your problems?  Then nobody can come and ask your ID??  That´s what I was saying, we have to educate the people.  Look at the big picture.. Your people are all around Turkey.. will they come back if you own a land?  Do you think it is easy?  Where will you study?  Who will provide you all the services which were provided to you by the Turkish government.. good or bad, you had something..

You know what I believe, if there was to be a partition, none of the educated Kurds, or the ones well settled all around Turkey will go back there.. The poor little village people only cares about their own living.. and who will get use of the land?  Think about it.. big picture///

 I know what is racism, I am still living overseas and everyday witnessing various forms of it... How about you?  Did you ever feel what it is like?

 Merih you just showed yourself to be the bitter racist that you are!!!!  You talk to Ciko about "your people" and saying how much the "Turkish government" do for him?

HE IS TURKISH TOO!!!! His government is the Turkish government. 

You talk about racism being rare - and  yet you don´t realise it yourself that you are one - and that you are unable to view kurds as Turkish citizens...

 My brother has also the dark skin color but no one has stopped us in Taksim... where i spend alot of time there together...

You should have any problem with someones asking you to show your id car... everyday where i work jandarma is stopping me and i wait for 15 mins! everyday here in Aliaga!

You know well that lots of ugly business in Taksim are in the hands of Kurds... Kurds were treated as how black and indians treated in US...

Kurdish people were burocrats, presidents, they were in cabinets... why they havent done anything for the lands they had vote all the time?

Here where our biggest problem coming... we are not able to jugde and force our governors! This is what we have to consider!

 And by the way, so you believe those people who are bullied should be given a land in the UK?

Racism is much more than that! It´s also racism where only dark(er) skinned people have their tickets checked in public transport, or when a bus driver waits for a late coming white passenger but suddenly ´have to drive due to his schedule´ when a dark(er) person tries to catch that bus. It are not only the big things like jobs or being treated like a terrorist, in fact all these smaller things cause much more harm in society AND for the single person involved!