First of all, I´m not French so that´s all not my business.

Second of all, two wrongs don´t make a right. What does France´s behaviour have to do with Turkish behaviour? And in France foreign languages or ethnic minority languages are not banned in public, so the level of supression is nowhere near eachother.

Third of all... YES I will always think that it was WRONG for Turkey to ban Kurdish in public. I got really ticked off since somebody started denying that this ever happened. I don´t understand why you are trying to defend such a facist move by saying "look at them, they did it as well." If you think the ban was good, come up with some good arguments. If you think the ban is bad, admit it and don´t make excuses. When I see recent developments like the Kurdish tv network, I think the country is making progress, but that´s my opinion. I can defend that opinion with sound arguments, and I always will.

This was a charter of European council, thus it concerns EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Europe, in fact in the whole western world.

Let us examine this deceit more closely:

So basically we have a country, France, who is a member of E.U and thus bound by its laws and legislations. It has signed but not ratified this particular charter, and it´s waiting for its regional languages to die slowly, most of them are in endangered and dying status anyway. Any sanction or enforcement from E.U? Nope. Any public concern voiced against this? Well I haven´t heard but some Europeans are rather busy throwing **** on Turks from their self claimed moral high grounds so that is expectable.

As I said in my previous post, everybody should clean their own doorsteps first.

This is not Eurovision Song Contest and we are not supposed to be bound by what France or England is doing. 

It makes sense to think that everyone is entitled to holding on to their cultural assets. We don´t need France to confirm this point. We are intelligent enough to draw our own conclusions (as humans).

so u are not Turkish or kurdish...this issue in Turkey is not your business

DJ

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it is obvious to me ... that i should review ´how to comment´ on the forums ... since my post ... and attempt to edit the shit out of it ... was unsuccessful ... lol! apologies!

So you say any attempts to change your mind are fail, you will never change your mind and that we shouldn´t even bother trying? 

If you are firm on your arguements on this, and nothing will ever change your mind, why do you ask questions and wait for the answers then?

You pretend to debate but your goal is not to gain knowledge or seek truth, it is simply to toss out random untruths to see if anyone here is dump enough to believe. 

Sorry...It doesn´t make sense for me to spend time and energy trying to change your mind that can never be changed.

 +1000000000000000000000000000

DJ XXXX

I think Turkey has made much progress in recent years in many aspects of its public policies.  Does work still need to be done?  Of course - None of us lives in a Utopia.  Here in the US, we have no policy ban against other languages, but the sting of descrimination against people of different cultures is still readily felt.  Changing public policies is only one part of addressing descrimination.  It takes the hearts and minds of the people in order truly affect change.  I see this change happening in Turkey.  Maybe not to the extent that some of us would like or maybe it isn´t coming as quickly as the rest of the world believes it should but if there is one thing that I have learned about Turkey it is that the Turkish people will be the masters of their own destiny - as it should be.

Some things are so basic to my personal values, that nothing can change my opinion about it. I think you should all know by now that racism and oppression is one of these points. But, I do like to know where other people come from. Instead of giving me reasons behind not speaking up against the old ban, people just pointed to France or said it never happened. One person said something about their own culture, how they felt Turkish and didn´t speak the old ethnic language of their ancestors. This was the closest to a real argument that I read in this thread. I appreciated that post. I don´t appreciate the "excuses" posts.

I made the point about France not being my business, since France was used as some sort of excuse for the missbehaviour (in my eyes) of Turkey in the past. I´m not going to have a whole discussion on a TURKISH forum about France, since France is neither the topic of this forum, neither is France my doorstep (as response to the "clean your doorstep" remark)

A discussion does not always have as a goal to convince others that your own opinion is right. You can have a discussion just to make the reasons behind your opinion clear. Just because I will always be against racism and oppression, this does not mean that I´m not interested why other support it. I didn´t see many intelligent remarks on this point.

 it means u all foreigners will hide your rubbish under your carpet and will continue criticising Turkey..welldone

DJ xxxx