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I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:51 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting nautilis: about zımmis: islam should be accepted with only freewill, no one can ban any believer to practice their religion, even our prophet let jews or christians or other believers to live in their way, the others r just politicians, first of all, we r just tellers, we have no power to force anybody to change their life |
Yes this is all very nice, but the fact is that some countries do not follow this belief. |
i agree with you because they let tradition override with their religious belief and make it into something it is not..
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:52 pm |
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Right so, in that case, we need to establish the EXACT background of the girl who was banned from wearing her headscarf!
If she was from a muslim country where they are not considered to be muslims (i.e. Iran!!!!) then we will feel no pity for her.
If she is from a "nice" muslim country then we will throw our arms up in horror and cry at the injustice of such a thing.
Hahahahahaha! Thank you for the lesson in Islam!
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:53 pm |
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Quoting robyn  : Quoting gavi: Quoting aenigma x: Clearly I have touched upon a "raw nerve" here. I am merely saying that those muslims living in USA and UK and who complain that they are being discriminated against, should remember that we are discriminated against too!
I have nothing else to say on this as I it is such a sensitive subject which makes rational discussion impossible. |
ohhhhhh you throw sand I throw sand good way to deal with issues. the whole point of this was an 11 year old girl who played all season against other teams entered a tournament and was than told she could not play if she did not remove her hijab. Has this been enforced prior to the start up of the soccer season herself and parent would and could make a decision as to whether she would play soccer on in that particular leaque. I said and will say again sad sad sad that adults made this decision at the particular time it could of been a new rule for the next season. I praise the girl and her family for their convictions not only to allow her to play soccer in the first place but the showing of their convictions to their faith.Also I would like to mention :
“Sports†were mentioned in Islamic History in two places, the first one when Muhammad PBUH raced with Aiesha (Radi Allahu Anha), and that was for fun.
The second when it was told that we should teach our children the swimming, shooting and horsemanship.
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she is 11 years old and i don't believe someone of that age is well equipped enough to decide about their religion. what is the truly sad thing is that of course it is her parents making her do such and enforcing their values onto her.i have said it before and i will say it again, following any religion is a choice to be made by each individual and the ability to comprehend a religion in its entirety is problematic enough as an adult let alone an 11 year old girl. |
I suppose running around christmas shopping and playing with easter bunny should also be banned for children after all why should children partake and be forced into christianity. you miss the point big time ........ sad sad sad
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:55 pm |
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Quoting gavi: Quoting robyn : Quoting gavi: Quoting aenigma x: Clearly I have touched upon a "raw nerve" here. I am merely saying that those muslims living in USA and UK and who complain that they are being discriminated against, should remember that we are discriminated against too!
I have nothing else to say on this as I it is such a sensitive subject which makes rational discussion impossible. |
ohhhhhh you throw sand I throw sand good way to deal with issues. the whole point of this was an 11 year old girl who played all season against other teams entered a tournament and was than told she could not play if she did not remove her hijab. Has this been enforced prior to the start up of the soccer season herself and parent would and could make a decision as to whether she would play soccer on in that particular leaque. I said and will say again sad sad sad that adults made this decision at the particular time it could of been a new rule for the next season. I praise the girl and her family for their convictions not only to allow her to play soccer in the first place but the showing of their convictions to their faith.Also I would like to mention :
“Sports†were mentioned in Islamic History in two places, the first one when Muhammad PBUH raced with Aiesha (Radi Allahu Anha), and that was for fun.
The second when it was told that we should teach our children the swimming, shooting and horsemanship.
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she is 11 years old and i don't believe someone of that age is well equipped enough to decide about their religion. what is the truly sad thing is that of course it is her parents making her do such and enforcing their values onto her.i have said it before and i will say it again, following any religion is a choice to be made by each individual and the ability to comprehend a religion in its entirety is problematic enough as an adult let alone an 11 year old girl. |
I suppose running around christmas shopping and playing with easter bunny should also be banned for children after all why should children partake and be forced into christianity. you miss the point big time ........ sad sad sad |
no actually, her safety and freedom as a child should be respected more than her parents choice to parade her around saying oo look at my lovely muslim daughter isn't she sweet..
im a muslim myself gavi and I will not force my daughter to follow any religion 
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:56 pm |
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Quoting gavi: you miss the point big time ........ sad sad sad |
It is YOU who misses the point gavi. But what would we know? We are just "morons" eh?
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:56 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Right so, in that case, we need to establish the EXACT background of the girl who was banned from wearing her headscarf!
If she was from a muslim country where they are not considered to be muslims (i.e. Iran!!!!) then we will feel no pity for her.
If she is from a "nice" muslim country then we will throw our arms up in horror and cry at the injustice of such a thing.
Hahahahahaha! Thank you for the lesson in Islam! |
it doesn't matter what country she comes from.its irrelevant, its dangerous to wear a headscarf in certain situations and in my opinion she had no business wearing it in the first place at 11 years old.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:57 pm |
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:59 pm |
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Why have I never heard of people complain about nuns who wear traditional headress or jews that wear their varieties of head apparel or amish and menonites. I understand the headscarf issue in Turkey because of its fundamental need to be secular. But in Europe and N. America, it is harrassment and double standard.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:01 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Why have I never heard of people complain about nuns who wear traditional headress or jews that wear their varieties of head apparel or amish and menonites. I understand the headscarf issue in Turkey because of its fundamental need to be secular. But in Europe and N. America, it is harrassment and double standard. |
I have never seen a nun playing football! But maybe you know different Keith...
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:02 pm |
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:02 pm |
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This is a bigger issue than football.
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