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30.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:27 pm

I would be interested to know how much pressure is on a child (not sure at what age) to memorise the Koran. It is a choice that is made by the individual? I am talking about Turkey, not other Islamic countries.

31.       Hicran
12 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:46 pm

While you can argue that a person should himself or herself chose whether he or she wants to memorise the quran or not, it is really hard to memorize it when you are old, hence the ambitious parents themselves chose whether to teach their sons/daughters or not. If you come to the stage when you can yourself chose to memorise it, it's really late. Like after the age of 15, it's hard to memorize the whole Quran. Children usually start memorising around the age of 12 by the encouragement of their parents and finish at the age of 14. Generally, the children are only encouraged, so it's by their consent that they memorise. Usually, the individual does not choose himself or herself, but his or her parents offer to him or her, and if the child accepts, then the memorising takes place. As far as I see, there is no obligation, where the parents force to make their children memorise the Quran. But personally, I wish that my parents had made me memorise it. I am now 18 years old, and I find it very difficult to memorise. I am very enthusiastic to do it, but I am struggling. I even sometimes wish that my parents have forced me to memorise it...I might not like it by that time, but now I would be appreciated!

32.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:47 pm

Quoting KeithL:

These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.



I guess you must have read that somewhere, and felt compelled to share it on this thread. How relevant.

33.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:59 pm

Quoting cynicmystic:

Quoting KeithL:

These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.



I guess you must have read that somewhere, and felt compelled to share it on this thread. How relevant.



I take this as Keith making a comment and that is all. It is part of the understanding of us non-Muslims. Broadens our horizons. If you think this is not relevant, then you have a look at some of the old threads!!!!!

34.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:20 pm

Quoting cynicmystic:

Quoting KeithL:

These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.



I guess you must have read that somewhere, and felt compelled to share it on this thread. How relevant.



Since you ask, I am lucky enough to work in many regions of Turkey and Turks love to discuss politics (as do I). So, in addition to hearing this from people I know, yes, I read it too.

35.       qdemir
813 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:23 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting cynicmystic:

Quoting KeithL:

These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.



I guess you must have read that somewhere, and felt compelled to share it on this thread. How relevant.



Since you ask, I am lucky enough to work in many regions of Turkey and Turks love to discuss politics (as do I). So, in addition to hearing this from people I know, yes, I read it too.



KeithL, aren't you a Turk?

36.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:43 pm

are you being funny?

37.       qdemir
813 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:45 pm

Quoting KeithL:

are you being funny?


Why, it was just a question. I thought you were a Turk.

38.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:47 pm

no, I just live here, but no turkish blood.

39.       gnark
28 posts
 02 Aug 2007 Thu 09:20 pm

one more question
when you are 25 for example, knowing that when you were 14, you knew the Koran by heart, are you still considered as a "hafiz", is it easy to stay it, does it require regular work ?

40.       qdemir
813 posts
 02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:08 pm

Quoting gnark:

one more question
when you are 25 for example, knowing that when you were 14, you knew the Koran by heart, are you still considered as a "hafiz", is it easy to stay it, does it require regular work ?



Yes, it does. The law of entropy.

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