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A HISTORICAL NAVAL TREATY
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:48 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I think their make shift compass was broken..that's my thought. |
Why dont you continue thinking for a couple of more years...and keep silent in the meantime )))))))))))))))))
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:48 pm |
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apparently whenever western is criticised in this site you say the same " oh you are western haters you never accept that ottoman did the same ..." you dont have to defend your countries.. yes nearly all europen countries and USA did slavery trade. why do you take it personal. why do you take it insulting to your country..yes most of eastern countries did the same..but it doesnt change the fact that USA took thousands of blacks from africa to america by ships.
i expected your objection what alpha said to be deeper than saying "mohammad did the same".
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:50 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: ... I already answered Alpha 
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You only asked for more data...You got it now....
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:50 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place.  |
These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it.
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:54 pm |
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The pirates of Barbary coast, as western sources like to refer to them, did start our as pirates in Mediterrenean, only to stop the reign of the prevailing Christian pirates.
Likes of Barbarossa, Dragut etc...rose to be Chief Naval Officers of the Ottoman Sultan, and stopped pirating as there were no worthy opponents left.
In the peak of their power, they ruled lands bigger than Holland, Belgium, Italy and france put together,
They were all devout moslems. any one familiar with their upbringing can not imagine them separating from ways of Muhammad(sunnet)...when it comes to slavery.
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:55 pm |
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Quoting ciko: apparently whenever western is criticised in this site you say the same " oh you are western haters you never accept that ottoman did the same ..." you dont have to defend your countries.. yes nearly all europen countries and USA did slavery trade. why do you take it personal. why do you take it insulting to your country..yes most of eastern countries did the same..but it doesnt change the fact that USA took thousands of blacks from africa to america by ships.
i expected your objection what alpha said to be deeper than saying "mohammad did the same". |
Yes you are right about slavery (OF COURSE!). Who the hell would argue that it was a good thing! It was not just the US, it was the UK and they were part of the triangle of trade - although we didn't actually have the slaves in the UK, as the monied landowners in the South US were mostly British or Irish at that point, we are responsible.
What I fail to see, is the point of Alpha's comments. Of course it was a bad thing.
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:58 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it. |
The difference between us is, I will agree with you about my country. You will never see fault in yours
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 09:59 pm |
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Anyway, happy to leave you Turks to discuss this alone. It is much friendlier that way 
I am spoiling your evening (again)
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:04 pm |
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The Muslim Arab World also traded in slavery, especially with the Byzantine Empire. These consisted of Turkic and Circassian males from northern Black Sea regions who were enlisted into the army. This soldier class was named Mamelukes and were mainly responsible for the expulsion of the Crusaders from Palestine. Officially Islam dislikes the idea of slavery and had set rules for dealing with slaves, such as mandated liberation on conversion to Islam, an insistence that slaves be clothed and fed in the same manner as is their master, and that they not be forced into marriage, among other prohibitons. Slavery was abolished in Saudi Arabia in 1962, making it one of the last countries to ban this practice
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:05 pm |
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When things get rough, the tough gets going ))))))))))))
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:07 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting AEnigma III: No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place. |
These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it. |
Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007..
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