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the killing continues, GAZA
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11 Jan 2009 Sun 08:04 am |
For those critics here of Israel..what would you suggest they do when they are constantely being attacked via missles almost on a daily basis. We are talking 3 thousand missles in a period of 12 months here...let´s do the math 8.52 missles a day and you question them defending themselves. My views have nothing to do with the media, I haven´t even entertained the media. To me this is common sense. Yes, innocent people die but as you know Israel has very sofisticated techonology. They are targeting strategic Hamas operation sites. Unlike Hamas who are targeting civilians. The Palestinians are harboring a terror organization which have announced over and over their intent to destroy Israel and the destruction of the Jews. You can´t negotiate with people that have this mentality. Do you really think any of your countries would sit back and allow this? I would hope not. I don´t agree with alot of Israel´s policies or decisions but I certainly can´t blame them for defending themselves. You won´t ever see peace until these people start valueing their own childrens lives more. Once that happens then their is some hope for peace.
Your American media is brainwashing... they are not showing any real news about the region... check out www.aljazeera.net/english to get the news.
People here who are giving pro-israili comments, please learn the history of the region, the real problems... why people go to the extremes to firing rockets everyday... do you think it is possible that nobody hears them until they do so... Israel state was founded in 1948, and Hamas was established in 1993... Do you think 45 years of waiting is not enough... Israel had the chance to correct things, but they simply did not want to.. Instead they brought in more Jews to settle in this new occupied country, and kept on reducing the living standards of the Palestininians.
Currently more than 850 people have died. more than 250 children, around 150 women, elderly, aid workers, medical staff, journalist... Your CNN does not even say this aloud, just show the number on the background for a second or so... and tell proudly how many militant Israel has killed today... yesterday they said 50.. I think they had member cards from Hamas with them...
One more thing, how would you feel, if someone comes and settles in your home, and moves all your family into one bedroom, and you can not go out for shopping if they don´t allow you, no matter if you need or not, you can not go to holiday to another city, your kids can not study in any college they like to... and you stay in that one little bedroom for 45 years with limited supply, and no freedom... I really wonder...
Please, search the reality and then make a comment if you must.
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11 Jan 2009 Sun 07:30 pm |
Your American media is brainwashing... they are not showing any real news about the region... check out www.aljazeera.net/english to get the news.
People here who are giving pro-israili comments, please learn the history of the region, the real problems... why people go to the extremes to firing rockets everyday... do you think it is possible that nobody hears them until they do so... Israel state was founded in 1948, and Hamas was established in 1993... Do you think 45 years of waiting is not enough... Israel had the chance to correct things, but they simply did not want to.. Instead they brought in more Jews to settle in this new occupied country, and kept on reducing the living standards of the Palestininians.
Currently more than 850 people have died. more than 250 children, around 150 women, elderly, aid workers, medical staff, journalist... Your CNN does not even say this aloud, just show the number on the background for a second or so... and tell proudly how many militant Israel has killed today... yesterday they said 50.. I think they had member cards from Hamas with them...
One more thing, how would you feel, if someone comes and settles in your home, and moves all your family into one bedroom, and you can not go out for shopping if they don´t allow you, no matter if you need or not, you can not go to holiday to another city, your kids can not study in any college they like to... and you stay in that one little bedroom for 45 years with limited supply, and no freedom... I really wonder...
Please, search the reality and then make a comment if you must.
You are right, there is very little information in the corporate media, but it is not impossible to learn more about the reality of the situation, if one really wants to.
There is a growing awarness of the situation and many demonstrations have been held against this situation in the USA and the whole world recently. IOW teaschip only speaks for herself, not all Americans.
I recently saw a documentary on Jewish partisans during WWII. It was very interesting, and it shed some light on the current situation. We have to consider the fact that these people (that generation) are the ones who built Israel. They were traumatized, suffering from what is now called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. They never received treatment, and have continued in the flight or fight mentality. I thnk this is very much at the root of the problem.I have read that it takes at least 10 generations to work through cultural PTSD.
Now we have the Palestinians suffering through the same thing. Unless we figure out how to deal with the problem of cultural PTSD, we will have this cycle continue.
How many of the high level Israeli politicians were part of, what was then considered a terrorist organization, the Irgun?
"Soon after World War II, Winston Churchill said "we should never have stopped immigration before the war", but that the Irgun were "the vilest gangsters" and that he would "never forgive the Irgun terrorists."
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12 Jan 2009 Mon 03:31 am |
It´s not very easy to get any real info on what´s going on since Israel has completely blocked access to Gaza for foreign press. I wonder why they are so desperate to prevent objective journalism of any kind.... 
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12 Jan 2009 Mon 06:35 am |
It´s not very easy to get any real info on what´s going on since Israel has completely blocked access to Gaza for foreign press. I wonder why they are so desperate to prevent objective journalism of any kind.... 
The only international English Language media group in Gaza is Al Jazeera... www.aljazeera.net/english
And Israel does not allow any journalist to go in, and terrorizes the aid groups so that they give up their mission and stay out of Gaza is not to allow any official group to find any proof against them... as though it has been confirmed by the UN senior Executive that they are using white phosphorus, they need evidence to show that it is used on the civil population.. and believe me, until they get in Gaza, all the evidence will be cleared out....
How sad... yesterday, a UNRWA spokesman said on Al Jazeera that people are burning their furniture to cook food for themselves.. 2/3 of population (1 million people) is without electricity, and 1/2 of the population (750.000 people) are without water...
But of course, no official group is there to report it.....
By the way, for the people who support the Israeli cause, and thinking Hamas is responsible for the killing of the people:
If somebody hijacks a plane (of course Hamas is not a hijacker), do you blast the whole plane with the passengers in it for a couple of people??????? No, you don´t.
Please read the article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
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12 Jan 2009 Mon 01:30 pm |
An Open Letter to Our American Colleagues in the Midst of the Massacre in Gaza
by Marcy Newman and Rania Masri / January 10th, 2009
On December 28th, Israel bombed the Islamic University of Gaza (IUG), with American-made F-16s, ten times destroying six buildings including research laboratories and a female dormitory. IUG, like all Palestinian universities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, has no political affiliation.
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Israel’s attack on education
Is Israel an apartheid state?
What American Academics can do about Israeli Apartheid
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http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/an-open-letter-to-our-american-colleagues-in-the-midst-of-the-massacre-in-gaza/
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12 Jan 2009 Mon 03:41 pm |
Your American media is brainwashing... they are not showing any real news about the region... check out www.aljazeera.net/english to get the news.
People here who are giving pro-israili comments, please learn the history of the region, the real problems... why people go to the extremes to firing rockets everyday... do you think it is possible that nobody hears them until they do so... Israel state was founded in 1948, and Hamas was established in 1993... Do you think 45 years of waiting is not enough... Israel had the chance to correct things, but they simply did not want to.. Instead they brought in more Jews to settle in this new occupied country, and kept on reducing the living standards of the Palestininians.
Currently more than 850 people have died. more than 250 children, around 150 women, elderly, aid workers, medical staff, journalist... Your CNN does not even say this aloud, just show the number on the background for a second or so... and tell proudly how many militant Israel has killed today... yesterday they said 50.. I think they had member cards from Hamas with them...
One more thing, how would you feel, if someone comes and settles in your home, and moves all your family into one bedroom, and you can not go out for shopping if they don´t allow you, no matter if you need or not, you can not go to holiday to another city, your kids can not study in any college they like to... and you stay in that one little bedroom for 45 years with limited supply, and no freedom... I really wonder...
Please, search the reality and then make a comment if you must.
Oh yes I forgot how fair and balanced the infamous aljazeera is.. I know the history of Israel and the Palestinians, you certainly don´t have to educate me on this topic. I actually know more than I care to. If you can rationalize and justify the rockets showering down upon the Israelis on an everyday basis, more power to you. The Palestinians elect Hamas a known terror organization to reign over them. The same group who has repeatedly made known the intent to destroy Israel and eliminate the Jews. Then they question why there isn´t peace in their region... Search your own reality and ask why the ME never backs Israel?
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12 Jan 2009 Mon 04:15 pm |
Oh yes I forgot how fair and balanced the infamous aljazeera is..
admit it teas, you are a brainwashed bed fat amerikan. 
btw, one thing makes me wonder. how come all free western press (that brainwashes you bed amerikans) arent allowed to gazza and holy al-jazeera is allowed? 
what made israeli gov let the arab tv into gazza?
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12 Jan 2009 Mon 04:26 pm |
A return through both time and space to their ancestral homeland
The Land of Israel was never devoid of Jews, although at times she numbered only in the tens of thousands. This was because the land was virtually uninhabitable when the Jews once again began their God-given right AND duty to return en masse to the land of their forefathers (the Zionist Movement) in the 1880s. The silly rhetoric about a massive Arab presence being overrun by “invading Jews” is quickly dispelled by Mark Twain, who visited the area in 1867. From his book, “The Innocents Abroad”… “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
The Jews did not displace anyone, because very few of the people who were there actually owned the land. Most were absentee owners residing elsewhere. Another fact hardly mentioned by the “new historians” is that the arriving Jews never threw anyone off any land. All land was purchased legally from the original owners… whether they be from “Palestine” itself or elsewhere. Furthermore, top dollar was paid for this land which, in many cases, was uninhabited and hardly more than swamp land and rocky terrain. Only about 120,000 Arabs resided in an area that now comprises the State of Israel, Jordan and the so-called “West Bank” [Judea and Samaria] in between. By 1890, the number of Jews who had settled in Palestine reached 50,000 and, by 1907, numbered 100,000. In Jerusalem alone the Jews numbered more than 25,000, out of a total population in the city of only 40,000 Jews, Christians and Arabs. The Arabs did, however, constitute a majority over the sparsely populated countryside abutting Jerusalem.
From 1888 until 1915 there were about six locust plagues that made the land nearly uninhabitable. In the 1915 locust plague alone some 40,000 people died and large numbers of Jews and Arabs left the land. Those that returned did not do so until about 1922 when the Zionist money to reclaim the land started coming in and a pipe line was laid. Then both Arabs and Jews started to come in in large numbers.
Palestine’s early Jewish Zionists were idealistic pioneers who arrived in pre-state Israel with every intention of living in peace alongside their Arab neighbors and upgrading the quality of life for all of the land’s inhabitants. These pre-Israel Zionists (and later, Israelis) had tried to develop peacefully for the dual benefit of Jews and Arabs in the land. But the Arab leadership always, starting in the earliest days, took the low road of insisting that the only solution was for the Jews to get out, even if that meant continued poverty and stagnation. When Arab demands were not met, they always resorted to violence.
The vast majority of Arabs came to the area after these early Zionist pioneers began draining the malaria-infested swamps (above photo) and plowing the land! In doing so, these Jews created the economic opportunities and medical availabilities which attracted Arabs from both surrounding territories and far-away lands! In fact, over 90% of the Arabs migrated there within the last one hundred years. Most of the Arabs in “Palestine” were interlopers and squatters originating from Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and other lands who simply took possession of pieces of land. So much for their unfounded claims that they have been there since “time immemorial!” These Arabs came from disorganized collections of tribes with a tradition of constantly terrorizing each other and trying to seize land from their neighbors. Many of them were social outcasts and criminals who could not find jobs in their own countries so they searched for their luck elsewhere. Unfortunately, those Arab immigrants imported into the Holy Land their age-old culture of terrorizing neighbors in order to seize land. In fact, today’s Arab “Palestinians”, let by Arafat and his PLO (sanitized to the PA, or Palestinian Authority…which is nothing more than A Network of Murderers Masquerading As Government!) are still nothing more than street thugs, bullies and ‘Little Saddams’ found elsewhere throughout most of the most Arab world.
Yet while the returning Jews were highly motivated to restore the land, the Arabs seethed with envy and hatred for they lacked both the leadership to inspire and motivate them for they were, in fact, historical strangers to this land! Unlike the Jews, those Arabs who immigrated there had no ancient attachments to or historical memories of this homeland … this ancient Land of the JEWS!
The real problem facing those Arabs today is not the lack of a homeland. The historical root-cause of their problem and frustration is the fact that the countries they came from have not agreed to accept them back in. This is why so many of them live, up until today, in refugee camps, in neighboring Arab countries, lacking fundamental civil rights. In their frustration they feel that the only hope and choice they have is to try and steal someone else’s country!
In Conclusion:
There was no “Arab Palestinian” history before the Arabs manufactured one shortly after 1948, and then especially after the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War! In an interview with the Dutch newspaper “Trau” (March 31, 1977), PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein said, “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism. It is also been a “conceptual” war for ownership of the term “Palestinian” which has been transferred over to the Arabs whereas, before 1967, “Palestine” has always been synonymous with Eretz Israel and the Land of Israel.
Archeological sites to this very day continue to yield artifacts with Hebrew writing, not some fictitious “Palestinian” or Arabic text! The so-called “Palestinian” Arabs were simply then, as they are now, Arabs no different culturally, historically or ethnically from other Arabs living in any of the 24 Arab countries from which they emigrated. The suggestion that the “Palestinians” are some sub-group of Arabs with their own unique identity is pure fiction! Great propaganda… but still pure fiction! And had not the Arabs continued to brainwash generation upon generation into believing this HISTORICAL HOGWASH about some ancient “Arab Palestinian” ties to the Holy Land, most could have gotten themselves a real life by now with much less bloodshed and suffering for everyone concerned!
Click Here for more on the myth of a “Palestinian People.”
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