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Clash of civilizations or It is just killing people?
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 11:25 pm |
"heaven of west"
where did you "pull" that one from (no pun intended) 
you should ask that to theH. he is the one who has such fantasies.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 11:27 pm |
You´re right LL, whatever the original topic the outcome is the same every time "The west is bad" ---> "No it´s not" <---> "Yes it is"
ha ha..
I agree with that..
But I must say that the best one of ´finding petty criminal cases in the west´ and coming up with ´eureka euraka, see these things happens every where´ was cynic_mistic..
shame he is not posting anymore..
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 11:30 pm |
No, I will leave you to carry on pulling your toys apart! 
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83. |
18 Jan 2009 Sun 11:45 pm |
did I ruin your "heaven of west" fantasies? right, when they commit crimes it`s just a "few criminal cases in the west", when it`s done in Turkey, we have to say there is no freedom in Turkey.
sorry about interrupting your mental mastubation.
i hope you are not comparing criminals to hrant dink or orhan pamuk.
you always speak about poor turks and muslims in the west opressed by the leftist-socialist govs. but who made them to immigrate to the evil west? what makes them to leave their wonderful homes and die at the hands of evil western govs? are they masochists? what are they doing there? why dont they go back to their sweet homes where they enjoyed and enjoy freedom, care and love?
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 12:14 am |
Of course there is no ´unlimited´ freedom of speech, but undoubtedly, there is much more freedom of speech then in many other places in the world, even Turkey.
we shouldnt have to go far in order to find an example. TC is the best example of so called "limitted" free speech. whenever i come one or two comments are deleted. you are demanding and criticising the US gov for something you yourself cant give. what an irony!
you see, anyone who seeks the truth will find it even those so called dumb americans.
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 02:03 am |
we shouldnt have to go far in order to find an example. TC is the best example of so called "limitted" free speech. whenever i come one or two comments are deleted. you are demanding and criticising the US gov for something you yourself cant give. what an irony!
you see, anyone who seeks the truth will find it even those so called dumb americans.
TC is not a media outlet or a website for informing people about the world and latest news. This is a privately owned community site with a certain purpose, and we have all the right to limit topics allowed for discussion on this platform. Our rights, responsibilities and capabilities are in no way comparable to the ones of a country like US.
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 02:05 am |
i hope you are not comparing criminals to hrant dink or orhan pamuk.
you always speak about poor turks and muslims in the west opressed by the leftist-socialist govs. but who made them to immigrate to the evil west? what makes them to leave their wonderful homes and die at the hands of evil western govs? are they masochists? what are they doing there? why dont they go back to their sweet homes where they enjoyed and enjoy freedom, care and love?
Searching for better world ?!
Believing many sweet talks about human rights,freedom..bla bla etc ?
Believing that,they are moving to Heaven,where they were in hell ´as all reports and organization say about most of the other countries not in the west´
As you may know,taking the decision of leaving your home,your country to another one not an easy one.
When you do that,you leave many things behind,and its not easy in favor for also many better things you think.
Maybe thats why they dont come back
Because they also cant come back
Because they believed a dream !
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 02:56 am |
Searching for better world ?!
Believing many sweet talks about human rights,freedom..bla bla etc ?
Believing that,they are moving to Heaven,where they were in hell ´as all reports and organization say about most of the other countries not in the west´
As you may know,taking the decision of leaving your home,your country to another one not an easy one.
When you do that,you leave many things behind,and its not easy in favor for also many better things you think.
Maybe thats why they dont come back
Because they also cant come back
Because they believed a dream !
I have known many immigrants, and I have to say it really breaks my heart to see their attempts at integration into the US society. Many of them come because of war in their homelands, they left to save their lives. Others come for economic reasons, to send money home to their families. The famlies left behind have unreasonable expectations born out of unrealistic ideas of just what the actual economic conditions are.
They try to live with a foot in each country, but rarely get good footing as their possibility for balance is very compromised with their feet in different places. It´s like trying to keep one foot on land and another on a boat.
I´ve seen Latin American immigrants living on hardly anything and living together to cut expenses, so they can send money home.
Watching the cultural change is painful. I know a family from Afghanistan, another from Ethiopia their 14 year old sons listens to music they don´t understand, he wears strange cloths and doesn´t have much respect for their old fashioned family. I was shocked to hear one talking back to his mother. One of the daughters has married an "American". It is so difficult for them to understand all the cultural nuances. They many times become alienated from their children.
Many times they get ill because they don´t understand the food here. They can´t understand the list of ingredients. Many times they are horribly exploited by their own countrymen who have learned the ropes.
A few do well, but most long for a home that they really can´t return to. The ones who do well are the ones with good educations that are transferable to the US. On many ocassions the degree is not transferable, so they have to take other jobs. I know a woman who was a obstetricion in Bosnia. Here she had to go to school to become a nurse.
Being an immigrant is not easy, and not a thing to do lightly, particularly if you come from an extended family who are close. The children will grow up not knowing who you are, and they won´t care, not like they would have had they had the chance to bond with you by daily life. You become a footnote.
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 05:58 am |
I agree with the fact that JUST saying ´there was no armenian genocide in 1915´ or ´genocide of jews in WWII was a lie´ does not fit with well with the freedom of speach..
Dogu Perincek case was similar to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4733820.stm David Erving case..
But I think, those countries made those laws had a good motive: they don´t want another genocide like the Jewish holocaust.
The freedom of speach in Turkey and in the west are not comparable. We are unfortunately quite back in the league...
In Turkey you can still be treated in very nasty way for ´just expressing of your thoughts´..Turtures/death by falling of the stairs used to be very common..Just two years ago H Dink got killed..He had to endure endless court cases about code 301.. Even Orhan Pamuk was in front of a judge just because of a speech..There are still many cases similar to those in Turkey.
We are getting better though..
Hopefully the time when we join EU we will be at the same level..
I protest this post... what is a good motive.. they don´t want another genocide.. how about the one in Bosnia, how about now in Palestine.. I think they would consider it a crime to call these ones a genocide.. And we are far behind... let´s not forget bout Guantanamo Bay tortures.. If you have a Muslim name, or look like a middle eastern, see how will they treat you in the immigration of your so called west. Last year one of our friends (Dutch) was interrogated for 8 hours because he had a visa stamp for Iran.. another one, travelling from Australia (Italian origin) was almost detained because he looked like a middle eastern... please, let´s not talk about how wonderful and advanced it is in the West.
Yes, there was and most probably is torture in Turkey, but how about the other countries... there is nothing wrong with them??? believe me you would have been very angry if you were not allowed to say there was an Armenian genocide in the West and you would have called them hypocrites.. but now that it suits your own views makes it acceptable.
Let´s face it, the powerful countries feel they can do anything and they always get away with it, and then they think they can criticise everybody for the very same things they do.
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 10:18 am |
canli, what you wrote is utter nonsense (as always) and i have no wish to answer that. if it was really so bad in the west they would leave immediately as they have left their country before willingly (finding all ways).
your post is utter nonsense, canli.
Searching for better world ?!
Believing many sweet talks about human rights,freedom..bla bla etc ?
Believing that,they are moving to Heaven,where they were in hell ´as all reports and organization say about most of the other countries not in the west´
As you may know,taking the decision of leaving your home,your country to another one not an easy one.
When you do that,you leave many things behind,and its not easy in favor for also many better things you think.
Maybe thats why they dont come back
Because they also cant come back
Because they believed a dream !
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90. |
19 Jan 2009 Mon 10:25 am |
what is this? who said that your website is a media? im not a journalist and i dont treat tc as an inforamtion website. in my previous post i mentioned about how expressing opinions is limitted here. catwoman is the best example of a tyrant. she deletes posts according to her moods, whenever she wants.
therefore im saying that before criticising US gov maybe you should look into your own garden.
TC is not a media outlet or a website for informing people about the world and latest news. This is a privately owned community site with a certain purpose, and we have all the right to limit topics allowed for discussion on this platform. Our rights, responsibilities and capabilities are in no way comparable to the ones of a country like US.
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