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Honour Killings and Suicides
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:21 pm |
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Kurds have invaded all the Turkish cities, AE! do you have anything to say about that?
Invaded? 
They are your fellow countrymen 
Perhaps if you had treated them as such, they would not now have terrorist groups among them
Edited (3/25/2009) by TheAenigma
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:23 pm |
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and why do you criticize the muslims in your country saying "they don`t integrate"? aren`t they Dutch? why do you call them muslims, as if they are not Dutch like you?
Yes, they are Dutch to me but unfortunately not to themselves. Ask a person whose greatgrandfather was an immigrant what s/he is and 98% they´ll say ´I´m Turk, Moroccon, ... ´. So they place themselves outside local/national society.
Your second line is hilarious. Since when is ´Muslim´ an etnicity or a race? I call them Muslims for their religion, not for their color of skin/eyes/hair or their taste of food/clothing/music. The same I do for Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindoes and even Pastafarians.
(Why do I bother anyway to explain my view to you? You won´t listen anyhow.)
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:24 pm |
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Invaded?
They are your fellow countrymen
Perhaps if you had treated them as such, they would not now have terrorist groups among them
they are not my fellow anything.
there were not any Kurds in the western Turkish cities 50 years ago. what should I call it if not invasion? and if it`s not invasion, why do you call the muslims in your country invaders?
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:25 pm |
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Kurds have invaded all the Turkish cities, AE! do you have anything to say about that?
Invaded? Like they are Marsians? OMG, Tami, you´re unbelieveble.... (in more than one meaning!)
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:26 pm |
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they are not my fellow anything.
there were not any Kurds in the western Turkish cities 50 years ago. what should I call it if not invasion? and if it`s not invasion, why do you call the muslims in your country invaders?
They may have not been in your cities, but they were your fellow countrymen 50 years ago and remain so
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:26 pm |
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and why do you criticize the muslims in your country saying "they don`t integrate"? aren`t they Dutch? why do you call them muslims, as if they are not Dutch like you?
Yes, they are Dutch to me but unfortunately not to themselves. Ask a person whose greatgrandfather was an immigrant what s/he is and 98% they´ll say ´I´m Turk, Moroccon, ... ´. So they place themselves outside local/national society.
yes Trudy, likewise Kurds are Turks to me but not to themselves! ask any Kurd in Turkey what he is, and he will say Im a Kurd!
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:27 pm |
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Invaded? Like they are Marsians? OMG, Tami, you´re unbelieveble.... (in more than one meaning!)
so it`s ok to use that word for muslims but not for kurds?
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 07:29 pm |
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likewise Kurds are Turks to me
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25 Mar 2009 Wed 08:04 pm |
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What a confusion! A Kurd is also a Turk if he has Turkish citizenship, right? If western media refer to Kurds they mean it as an ethnical group, rather than members of separate nation, degil mi? Then Muslims are Muslims regardless of their ethnicity or citizenship so even if they´re Polish, Dutch or Turkish, they´re Muslims, right? Sorry, I can´t understand what you´re arguing about...
It´s kind of hard to comment if first we´re told that Kurds are Turks first of all (hence the pledge etc) and should not have any objections to being discrete about their ethnicity. Then any kind of violence in the eastern region is immediately recognised as Kurdish action. If Kurds immigrate westwards towards cities (hich is quite logical as cities always offer best prospects of employment) they´re called invaders. Since when does migrating within one country called invasion?
Would it be a solution, tami, if Kurds abandoned their ethnical heritage, started considering themselves Turks and nothing bu Turks, and at the same time stayed in their villages in the east peacefully and never wanted to go out? 
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26 Mar 2009 Thu 09:14 am |
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What a confusion! A Kurd is also a Turk if he has Turkish citizenship, right? If western media refer to Kurds they mean it as an ethnical group, rather than members of separate nation, degil mi? Then Muslims are Muslims regardless of their ethnicity or citizenship so even if they´re Polish, Dutch or Turkish, they´re Muslims, right? Sorry, I can´t understand what you´re arguing about...
It´s kind of hard to comment if first we´re told that Kurds are Turks first of all (hence the pledge etc) and should not have any objections to being discrete about their ethnicity. Then any kind of violence in the eastern region is immediately recognised as Kurdish action. If Kurds immigrate westwards towards cities (hich is quite logical as cities always offer best prospects of employment) they´re called invaders. Since when does migrating within one country called invasion?
Would it be a solution, tami, if Kurds abandoned their ethnical heritage, started considering themselves Turks and nothing bu Turks, and at the same time stayed in their villages in the east peacefully and never wanted to go out?
Western media calls them as kurds. but if they do something bad in europe, suddenly they become turk on the news papersDD
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26 Mar 2009 Thu 11:31 am |
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Western media calls them as kurds. but if they do something bad in europe, suddenly they become turk on the news papersDD
This sounds like Turkish paranoia. The reason the word "kurds" appears a lot in western media is because of PKK activities. This is mostly the only time that Turkey hits the headlines! By the very nature of the PKK party, they are OF COURSE referred to as Kurds as they are the Kurdistan Workers Party!!!
"If they do something bad in europe, suddenly they become Turk"???? So being a terrorist organisation is not "bad"?
If anything is in the media about Turkey generally then they are OF COURSE referred to as Turks.
Edited (3/26/2009) by TheAenigma
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