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140.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:04 am

Quoting alameda:

Quoting catwoman:

omg.... at least they got punished! unlike the family in the second article you posted...



What delightful posts. I really don't understand just what the point of these posts is...


Alameda, I think the point is the same as of anything else - sharing information.

141.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 07:28 pm

Quoting alameda:

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Be fair and speak about the slavery in Middle East that is still there. Arabs were the slavery dealers once in history, it was them who caught Africans and sold to Europeans.



Again your information is wrong. The Arabs may have been involved in the slave trade, but it is not the Arabs who started it, or were they the only ones involved in it. Actually I believe the Portuguese had the most involvement in the begining of the African slave trade.

Most black slaves were put into slavery by their own people. Either they were prisoners of war, captives from raids or unwanted. I really don't think anyone could have imagined the fate those poor people had in store for them once they to the "New World". Slavery in the New World was unprecedented in inhumane treatment.



Saving the slaves

Slavery lives.

Just over 100 men and boys were waiting under the boughs of a huge mahogany tree in the middle of nowhere near the south Sudan-Darfur border. Waiting for the abolitionists.

Led by the Arab/Dinka Peace Committee, they had walked south for miles, and for days, on their journey to freedom. Many gave up. Those who persevered waited under the tree for four days, and were now nearing the end of their excruciating journey.

When the abolitionists arrived, each of the 106 slaves were asked a series of questions, starting with: When were you taken into captivity? What was your master's name? Did you have family?

Each story was horrific. They were beaten, burned, stabbed, hit with farming tools, starved and humiliated.

Michael was one of the first slaves to tell his tale. His eyes were red, fatigue showed on his weathered face. Scars marked the places where wounds from beatings have never healed. He said his wife was stabbed to death by their master's wives, four Arab women who were angry she was at the water well with them. Michael was beaten unconscious because he charged his master when he heard the news of his wife's death.

Some of the men had been in captivity for more than 20 years, captured by the Janjaweed (Arab for "Devil on Horseback") and Arab slave raiders during the so-called civil war.

The younger slaves, children like Ahkmed, were born into slavery. His mother was killed by her master. Ahkmed has no idea where his father is, no clue of his age. The reddish tint in his hair shows how malnourished he is. His clothes were ripped and dirty, barely hanging on him.

Another man said he'd been a slave for 15 years, and had seen at least three slaves killed for trying to escape.

All of these people had lost hope they would ever be free to live their own lives and have their own families.

The government in Khartoum and the Sudan People's Liberation Movement had been fighting a civil war since 1983, one of the world's longest and bloodiest battles. In 2005, a comprehensive peace agreement was signed between the Arab Muslim leaders in Khartoum and the Black Christians in southern Sudan. But what the agreement lacked were provisions to release the slaves taken captive over the past 20 years.

There are reports of tens of thousands of men, women and children still enslaved in Darfur and Kordofan.

A group of abolitionists, under the banner of Christian Solidarity International based in Zurich, has been working quietly since 1995 to free the slaves in Darfur as well as provide them with humanitarian aid.

This organized rescue of slaves was begun about 20 years ago by the Sudanese themselves. The Arab/Dinka Peace Committee is a grassroots organization that liberates Sudanese slaves. The covert operation generally begins in cattle camps in the north, where the underground network trades slaves for cattle vaccine. Each vaccine is worth about $40, and it costs one or two vaccines per slave. Livestock is much more valuable to the Arab slave masters than are human beings.

The grassroots group in Sudan invited CSI to join them in their efforts to bring slaves back home.

"In 1995, we first encountered the reality of the slave raids in a powerful way," said Dr. John Eibner, who heads the teams of two or three CSI members who go into Sudan every month to deliver humanitarian aid, medicine, sorghum, survival kits and assistance in returning slaves to their families. "The NGO's [non-governmental organizations] that were there had moved out, the Red Cross failed to go in to help because the government of Sudan said no. So, the international community allowed itself to be dictated to by the government of Sudan that was responsible for the slave raiding."

Among those on this trip were Eibner, an American, and Gunnar Wiebalck, a German, who have made a career of shining a bright light on social injustice, including working on the abolishment of apartheid in South Africa. "Because the rest of the world was not — and still is not — dealing with this issue of slavery, which is a crime against humanity according to international law, we thought we should come back and help this local, grassroots mechanism for getting enslaved women and children back," Eibner said.

Pastor Heidi McGinness, Denver-based director of outreach for CSI-USA, has made the journey to Sudan many times. "I live to see family reunions," McGuiness said. "Mothers, fathers reunited with sons and daughters taken into slavery, thought dead but returned alive, is the greatest joy one could observe.

"This abolitionist work fuels my passion to see each slave freed," she added. "There are still tens of thousands in slavery. I will not abandon them."

In Germany in the 20th century, it was the Holocaust. Some 50 years later in Rwanda, genocide again. And now, in the 21st century, as we talk about smart cars that can park themselves and sending people to Mars, we still allow the barbaric treatment of humans. Genocide rears its ugly head again. We're a society with short-term memory and information overload.

Sudan and slavery are invisible to the Western world. Few if any American journalists are telling the slaves' stories. Why does CSI go into Sudan? Because no one else will. It's remote, it's hot, and it's desolate, with no electricity, running water or cellphone or Internet service in most places.

And, let's face it. These victims are black. Politically, Darfur is in bed with China, which is in bed with the United States. Slavery in Sudan is a three-pronged issue: race, religion and politics.

So why should Americans care?

Because the Sudanese are human beings.

If slavery and genocide can go unchallenged on the other side of the world, it will continue to fester, and then when it comes knocking on our own door here in the U.S., in Denver, we will have only ourselves to blame.

There may be tens of thousands of slaves still in captivity in Darfur. If after you read this you decide to do nothing, then at least you can not say you didn't know.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_9844318

142.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 07:46 pm

Outrage as China slave scandal deepens

More than 1,000 people, many of them young children, have been forced to work as slaves in a brutal human trafficking ring in China that has shocked and outraged the nation, police say.

More than 500 people have already been rescued in recent days from brick yards and coal mines that were run with exceptional ruthlessness in two provinces in central and northern China.

Media reports described freed workers, some as young as eight, as having been beaten, nearly starved and forced to work long hours under appalling conditions, apparently with the involvement of some local police and officials.

At least one man was beaten to death, according to a confession by a brickyard boss on television, with other reports saying the slave trade had been going on since at least March - and perhaps for years.

"So far, we have rescued more than 200 people including over 40 children," an official with the Henan provincial public security department, who gave only his surname of Dang, told AFP by phone.

"They were abducted and sold to brick kilns in Shanxi and Henan provinces."

Li Fulin, vice-director of public security in Shanxi, said in a statement that separate police raids there had freed another 251 people. Xinhua news agency later said another 80 had been rescued in Shanxi.

Officials in both provinces said investigations were continuing in a bid to free hundreds more believed to be enslaved.

"It is hard to estimate the number of missing people before the investigation finishes, but there are probably more than 1,000," Dang said.

The scandal has caused alarm among the highest ranks of China's ruling Communist Party, with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao issuing orders to deal with the situation, the China News Service reported.

However no comments from the two leaders were immediately released.

State television aired disturbing images of abused and emaciated workers living in squalid conditions at a brick factory in the city of Hongtong in Shanxi province.

Workers said many of them tried to escape but most were caught and brought back. Vicious dogs were used to stop workers breaking out.

The revelations have sparked nationwide disgust, and editorials in state newspapers on Friday called for investigations into allegations that local bosses were guilty of collusion.

"How could officials in the area have connived with such audacious and appalling behaviour to allow this situation to arise under their very eyes?" asked the People's Daily, the main mouthpiece for the Communist Party.

One of the brickyards was run by the son of a local Communist Party boss, the nation's main union body said in comments carried in the state press.

The scandal adds to other embarrassing revelations this week about the plight of Chinese workers, including reports that children were being used to make merchandise for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

In another scandal, more than 500 children were found working ultra-long hours for up to six days a week in a light industry factory under a so-called "work-study" program authorised by their school.

-AFP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1953097.htm

143.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:36 pm

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144.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:40 pm

Quoting zhang ziyi:


This is not true, your sources are invalid (I'm pretty sure that there are anti-China powers behind such articles, who are envious of Chinese development and achievements).

It is just a revenge post-reply that doesn't count.


(:

145.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 12:40 am

Quoting zhang ziyi:


I'm pretty sure that there are anti-China powers behind such articles, who are envious of Chinese development and achievements


I hope you are not serious about what you said above..
You sounded like a paranoid nationalistic Chineese..

146.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 12:48 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Outrage as China slave scandal deepens

More than 1,000 people, many of them young children, have been forced to work as slaves in a brutal human trafficking ring in China that has shocked and outraged the nation, police say.

-AFP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1953097.htm



Tut tut. One would think this atheist state would know better. Have they not learned anything from all the mistakes of the religions?

147.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:35 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting zhang ziyi:


I'm pretty sure that there are anti-China powers behind such articles, who are envious of Chinese development and achievements


I hope you are not serious about what you said above..
You sounded like a paranoid nationalistic Chineese..


Awwww handsom,im sure she/he is just kidding

148.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:23 am

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Quoting uYkuSuz:


This is not true, your sources are invalid (I'm pretty sure that there are anti-China powers behind such articles, who are envious of Chinese development and achievements).

It is just a revenge post-reply that doesn't count.



hmmm....llegal Human Organ Trade from Executed Prisoners in China

"1. The Issue

“Today, China stands alone in continuing the use of organs of executed prisoners for transplant surgery.”1 International organizations such as the World Medical Association and the World Health Organization regard the sale of human organs as inhumane and unethical. These organizations believe it is essential to address all concerns surrounding illicit organ trade and possibly invoke an international trade mandate to which all nations must adhere. Human rights organizations and numerous former Chinese citizens, like Harry Wu, assert that China uses human organs from executed prisoners to sell for substantial profit. The repercussions resulting from the lack of international laws regulating global human organ trade has caused a worldwide upheaval. Human rights issues encircling the illicit human organ trade as well as the effects of this trade in China and globally should be examined and analyzed."

Or....


The new cannibalism

more

China admits to organ trade from executed prisoners

149.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 09:04 am

So, you think that only China is reprehensible for its crimes or Arabs too? Or, do you think that one justifies the other?

150.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 12:57 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

So, you think that only China is reprehensible for its crimes or Arabs too? Or, do you think that one justifies the other?


"Daydreamer, I think the point here is the same as of anything else - sharing information."
We are just sharing information..
As catwoman is saying here : http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31431_14

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