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a question to our moderator
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 03:50 pm |
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Quoting libralady: and Aenigma, in your International Heroes list, how come no women in these times of sexual equality, I suggest either: |
International heroines?
Hmmmmmm
Jade Goody
Femme-Fatal
Bod
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 04:21 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting libralady: and Aenigma, in your International Heroes list, how come no women in these times of sexual equality, I suggest either: |
International heroines?
Hmmmmmm
Jade Goody
Femme-Fatal
Bod
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Yes you caught me out - heroines!
Classic heroines:
Joan of Arc
Boudacia
Nell Gwynne 
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 07:31 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting libralady: and Aenigma, in your International Heroes list, how come no women in these times of sexual equality, I suggest either: |
International heroines?
Hmmmmmm
Femme-Fatal
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im flattered! 
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 07:32 pm |
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Quote: Quote:
International heroines?
Hmmmmmm
Femme-Fatal
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im flattered!
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I am just flattering you Flame-Famal 
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 11:23 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: teaschip I can't decide whether to take you seriously or not. You have a problem with the basic meanings of certain concepts:
1- This country fought a war of independence under the leadership of K. Ataturk.
2- Turkish republic was founded by Ataturk.
3- You or your fellow employees don't have to know him and I don't care a bit whether they do or not.
4- Read the comments made by Churchill, Lord Kinross etc to understand how they regarded him in the UK.
5- Alternatively, do not give a ... about it and mind your own business. Ataturk is our hero and we are proud of him.
6- Eat a lot of fish and walnuts.
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Grapevine, I never disagreed with the following above, now did I? I think you have taken my original post and left it somewhere in the vineyard. No where in any of my posts did I misunderstand the basic concept as you would like to claim. I just don't use the term "National Hero" very loosely. Once again, I made a clear observation when I responded to the original post and yet I'm put in a position to argue over Turkey's "National Hero". I have never insulted Ataturk here, yet you keep challenging me to do so. Not sure what your motive is.
To clarify your above statements, here are my responses.
1. Agree
2. Agree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree
6. Agree (I love fish but prefer cashews.)
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 09:01 pm |
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 03:07 am |
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Quote: Quote:
Grapevine, I never disagreed with the following above, now did I? I think you have taken my original post and left it somewhere in the vineyard. No where in any of my posts did I misunderstand the basic concept as you would like to claim. I just don't use the term "National Hero" very loosely. Once again, I made a clear observation when I responded to the original post and yet I'm put in a position to argue over Turkey's "National Hero". I have never insulted Ataturk here, yet you keep challenging me to do so. Not sure what your motive is.
To clarify your above statements, here are my responses.
1. Agree
2. Agree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree
6. Agree (I love fish but prefer cashews.)
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Well done playing with my nickname, gave me a chance to flashback to my kindergarten years. I anticipate a pillow fight invitation in your next message.
Did you play with lego pieces when you were a kid, you'd learn to how to establish a link with your international heroes and business associates; this way, you'd not lose your contact with what goes on in the world today.
Getting sad about the fate of this conversation? Consider this a prize any opinionated balloon is automatically entitled to.
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Wow, I'm flattered I gave you a glimpse of your
kindergarten years. Heck, I have a hard time remembering them myself. As far as lego's, I preferred lincoln logs myself. But I'm ashamed to admit the lincoln logs didn't establish a link to any international hereos that I can recall, maybe "Abraham Lincoln" but I think he is thought of as an American Hero. Maybe your could clarify the connection with legos to me.
As far as what goes on in the world, I am no history buff, however I am aware of current events and do have a good knowledge of historical events in the past and present. I hold a Bachelors Degree in Business Management. No this doesn't hold alot of value or make me an expert on world cultures, however I'm not as uneducated as you assume. In fact I'm very open minded, why else would I be on a Turkish Class site trying to educate and enlighten myself.
I must say I have never been called an opinionated balloon before, maybe opinionated but not a balloon. Not sure how to take it, but I'm sure you will tell me soon enough since I appear to be ignorant. Let me guess if the shoe fits, then wear it. However, I'm still puzzeled why you feel the need to be so confrontational to me. What exactly did I say to offend you so much, that you would react in such of an aggressive manner towards me?
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 04:29 pm |
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 06:13 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Was that answer for Grapevine or for Vineyards, or is there no difference at all after a few bottles of wine in the vineyard. Checkout a youtube link to see what happens when you tease a lion. Everyone does not take jokes the same way. Especially if you are hitting the wrong note for that person on an on you may end up with some bitterness.
I am in favour of both punishment and reward when either of them is due. This is the way to put an end to the freedom of arbitrarily categorizing people into nations, races, religions and cultural identities and pushing your version of truth at the expense of theirs. When people show a superficial interest in another culture and when that interest suddenly ends when they find out that they regard things differently ; we cannot talk about a geniune appreciation or fondness of the culture in question. If people are happy with their ways and cannot quite understand other cultures, they cannot possibly be considered as broadminded individuals having decent educations. In this world, there are Lincolns, Churchills, Stalins, Lenins and Ataturks. For example, you may not like Lenin all that much but then you may be lacking the knowledge as to how he was viewed by his contemporaries.
You should also understand our frustration over the cultural besiege of the US. We live in a world in which US soldiers spit on the holy book of billions of people, invade their countries and talk about order and civilization. It may be easier for you to tolerate this but for my own part, that is possibly the worst thing that could happen to our world politically. So, it is a time, everyone should hold on to their own values. We don't wish to have one big America all around the world. We would like to remain as Turks and be appreciated, understood and liked as we are. (I am not referring to those archaic traditions limiting the basic rights of men and women.)
Of course, majority of my remarks here does not exclusively concern you. |
Bitterness is not a healthy thing Vineyard and can age you quite easily. Because I have used a little sarcasim in some of my posts, you have bitterness? Who is calling the kettle black? You may want to reread your posts as well…
Please do not allude to my intentions or interests in Turkey, as to being superficial. I believe I have been a member on this site going on two years now. If my intentions were superficial, I believe either I have too much time on my hands or just bored in general to keep coming back to this site.
“If people are happy with their ways and cannot quite understand other cultures, they cannot possibley be considered as broadminded individuals having decent educationsâ€. I believe this statement you made is pretty demeaning and offensive. I believe you meant to say was “if someone doesn’t agree with you or has a different insight they must be considered an idiotâ€. I find this statement to have no relevance to whether you are educated or openminded.
I’m not even going to try to defend America to you, since clearly you have all the answers for making this a perfect world. Now really, who is close minded and superficial here?
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20 Jul 2007 Fri 08:06 pm |
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21 Jul 2007 Sat 06:09 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Teaschip let me "streamline" the sentence you seem to have completely misunderstood.
For example, being a UK citizen, if you think the UK is the best country in the world and all the others suck (there are some US and Turkish citizens doing that for their own countries), if your attachment to your country's ways, values, perspective is more like an obsession (like Arabs being obsessive to everything Islamic) then you can't call yourself broadminded or educated.
If you continue to misunderstand my obvious statements like this, we should consider switching to some other language. |
Vineyard, who ever said they felt their country was the best and all others sucked? I guess I shouldn't assume you were directing this to me or was making a generalized statement. I don't think I misinterpreted your post, I only quoted it verbatim. Then next time say what you really mean and dont expect that everyone can read between the lines. However, I still disagree with your statement. I don't belive someones loyality and patroitism to their country, necessarily makes them a closeminded and uneducated person. For some people this is all they know, whether they were brought up in a military family or raised in an enviornment to feel this way. But it seems we don't speak the same language here, so it's really a irrelevant post. I'll make a mental note next time to have another colleague review your post, since I'm incapable of interpreting your true intentions.
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