Oh really?  Then I am particularly looking forward to the numerous Happy Christmas threads this year - let the "debate" begin

Well, hopefully the Muslim members will be there to console the Christian members that go into full blown hysteria when their beliefs get criticized.

You obviously have not had the pleasure of discussing Christianity with Teaschip yet then

I think I got into a debate or two in my former life here.   Maybe I should throw a fit too!

Please do NOT change!!!

Our heads are still spinning from watching the changes of AE..

All those twists and turns..

So behave as usual pls..

Thanks DD and Teas for your nice feelings, i really appreciate it, and it does mean much.

Ý agree totally with you Teas

´´I have my beliefs and you have your´s´´

And as for Melek, its not norm nor acceptable that we who do believe in religion not just Ýslam find it that we are accused and need to defend our choices by believing in something where you take that right for granted that you dont believe in religion and we should accept your choices about that !

Ým not questioning your choice, and you dont have the right to question mine also, and thats not open for debate !

Ýts simply MY personal choice, and MY right too !

There was no debate or discussion about Ramadan or fasting, it was about people who expressed their feelings about it

And that is personal, and as being at one place here at TLC, and having let´s say some kind of good relation with each other, we start to talk about it, answer when we asked questions about it.

That doesnt mean we be a material for criticism for what we choose to be.

That doesnt mean when i say...it makes me FEEL what the poor feel, and makes me want to make them dont need anything...some said NO its not true...its only in your head !

When i say i be happy at Ýftar...and i enjoy being fasting..some said a drug could do that !

And last but not least that adding that i need to go to a group therapy because of what i believe !

Who gave ANYONE the right to say this to me or to anyone at all because of our different beliefs ?!

And you say sensetive ?!

Sorry but we call it SELF RESPECT !

No one has even a bit of self respect would accept that.

Who said i accept  the idea that you  dont believe in God or religion, who said i find it logic? who said that i find you more open or intelligent for that ?!

Have i said that ?

Or have i said otherwise ?!

Have i questioned your choice ?!

Ý can question the concept yes, but have i questioned your choice?!

Have i put you down for that?

Has anyone else ever did ?!

You think that makes me agree with what you believe ?!!!

NO,

Ý just respected your choice of believing or not believing in whatever you want

But you dont !

You think you are superior because you are smart enough more than us because you knew you have been fooled and religions were set by man.

Well, we who believe in religion think the other way around, but you didnt hear us questioning your choice...its simply yours !

We had many debates about religions, Ýslam to be specific...i personally joint many of them and i had no problem having other point of view not agreeing with me or what i believe.

Ý had many questioned addressed to me about many topics related to Ýslam, and gladly answered, joint, and we were not agreeing with each others too

But we were respecting our differences

You can check that, and see how many debates we had here at TLC informative and nice one without having any throwing stones at any direction.

Of course we also had others too

But the informative and good debates and the ones that we really enjoyed when we were respecting each other differences.

Ýts normal, we are different...so we will have different understandings and beliefs

To have different point of view and to express them in appropriate way is everyone´s right, even healthy too, it would make us understand more about each other.

But to question my choices, judge me for that, and start attacking me, my beliefs and feeling you are superior because of the choices you made, then expect me to be cool, open minded, join and answer any questions  and you call this debate ?! ..NO..im sorry, i dont accept.

As you grant yourself the right to choose and expect others to accept that because its YOUR choice, grant others same right.

Do you want to attack the others, even insult them and want them to accept it or else you would call them sensetive ?!!!

What? should we joke about it too to be pictured as open minded or what so ever  ?

Should i tell handsom ´´ ohhh yessss, you got it, i take the drugs just after Sahur and i join the group therapy after Ýftar to have those feelings during my fast´´ ?!

Would that makes me open minded and fine by your standards ?!!!

Not sensetive?!

No sorry, the would make me least i can say not a respectable person and doesnt deserve to be respected from those who have same beliefs and those who dont .

And if im honest enough with myself, i wouldnt respect me either !

And i DO respect myself, and respect my belifs enough to not accept that !

Ps: 1. ´´you´´  a general term .

2. Ý didnt mean to criticise/put down the choices of those who dont believe in religions, but it was an explaining that we also as religious people have our  criticism about it.

 Ah canim  - I see you don´t like change but I am amused to observe my profound effect on you  

At least YOU never change

I can respect your right you believe that Elvis is still alive or that tooth fairy exists but I don´t have to respect that belief. Same with religious beliefs, whether yours or the Popes - I can respect that you have them, but don´t ask me to treat seriously what is irrational. You´re taking personally what is not personal, and that´s what I find annoying, is that you don´t seem to be able to keep your emotions in check. It´s a huge problem in general, when people react emotionally, they tend to overreact and people get hurt as a result. Maybe not here, all that can happen here is you writing a long rant, but in real life, people who react the way you do can take it to the extreme. The incident with the Danish cartoons is just one example.

So have a cup of tea, enjoy the Ramadan, and relax.

 Be careful what you wish for .

Cool, then we have a point here

You accept my right in believing in whatever i like and i dont ask you to believe in same

And i didnt !

We were attacked and judged by our belifs and thats what was happening in that thread.

And i dont accept that

How people react to things is different due to differences in thoughts, personalities, and serroundings too

We have great respect to our beliefs and we dont accept them being humiliated in a way or another.

We are not at the UN here, we are at TLC

We have some sort of relationships between us as members sharing thoughts and debates together, and to mantain this here we must respect our differences to have that relation.

Ýf i was debating at the UN, i wouldnt care actually, because i wouldnt care about the members there more or less same as they dont care about us .

And as for real life, dont worry, i didnt kill nor hit any Danes or something...i just boycott them

Ým fasting so i will pass that cup of tea, and i will enjoy Ramadan thank you.

 Looks like I struck a cord with my heartless comment..  Does this mean I´m not welcomed in the Translation lounge?