I think your example is not a good example, it´s just to confuse people. The situation of scotts and egnlish is not the same as the kurds and the turks of Turkey. First Scotland is a country in the UK, but there´s no country called Kurdistan in the boundaries of Turkey.

And again you insist on reducing "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!"  to an ethnic based proverb while IT IS NOT. You try to confirm it by stating that racists use this proverb for their own benefits, then what you do is no different from them. You,as well, distort the truth according to your benefits.

If a turkish citizen whatever his/her origin is, cannot say this proverb, then I consider him/her as a traitor as well. However, every ethnicity, every culture and every religion should fight to improve their rights to live their culture and religion and to learn their language. They should not fight not to say "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!" if they want to stay a part of Turkey (if they want to form a different country, then I´d understand). Then what it causes is just ethnic separatism.

 As I said I didn´t post earlier because I didn´t want to be in the middle of a "slanging match" Thank you for appreciating my opnion.

Well mltm thanks for telling the truth when you said  If a turkish citizen whatever his/her origin is, cannot say this proverb, then I consider him/her as a traitor as well.

That is exactly what has been happening.

You call people  ´who does not want to say -I am Turkish-´ traitors.

And there are many many in Turkey they think they are not Turks so they dont want to say it.

Then,  what do you want them to do? just die? dissapear from the country? go to mountains-that is what has been happening so far-?

what?

And you also said that I was  distorting the truth..

It is very simple meltem.. It is not that i am inventing it..It is just a matter of perception.

Our kurdish citizens are thinking that it  "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!" is refering to ethnicity.

As a Turk, my perception is the same when you combine with everything (starting from  andimiz)

ps..´ne mutlu Turkum diyene is just a small part of the entire picture. Many things need changing If we want to keep our country intact and in ONE piece´

I think you completely lost the plot in this post

I did not call you racist, btw. I just reminded that no racist calls themselves racists generally..They always call themselves patriotic.

But if you call me a kurdish racist,  it will be quite peculier as I am not Kurdish at all..

 Lol i think they mean you are racist towards Kurd not actually a Kurd yourself

I´ve never perceived it that way, and it conflicts with what I have been taught. I think it is just some people who distorted it, and I think if an american citizen whatever origin his/her origin can be proud of being an american, a turkish citizen can do it as well without any etnicity worries. It seems that the problem that lies is not kurds opposing to be called "turk", I think it is perfectly possible to maintain a national unity under the name "Türk". We just have to look at how the definitions of "Türk" and "Türk milleti"were made when Turkey Republic was established. Türk is far from being an ethnical term in this respect. And we have to look at who said "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene" proverb, it´s Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and not Alparslan Türkeþ and certainly MK. Atatürk was not a racist person.

And I don´t think that every kurdish citizen finds it something offending, it´s rather distorted in order to create provocation and an ethnic conflict by both racist sides.

I can acknowledge that there might be currently a kurdish question but I cannot accept that the solution that will take us to a national unity will be making sharp ethnical distinctions between words such as Turk, Kurd, Laz, Circassion and the other ethnicities.

Not so much important, i havent seen here so many members adhered to the subject including you. Thats just a reply to your "purpose questions" which came to my mind while i was writing .

 You dont need to remind me these if it is not an allusion.

I think we had talked this before, you dont need to be Kurd to be Kurdish racist or Kurdish nationalist. Can you find pure blood Kurds ?

How can you say that since you are not living with me and not knowing what I read..

Well..I am afraid there will always be ideas which will make us feel uncomfy in democracies. I will recommend you learn how to live with different ideas rather than coming up with ´what you are saying is bothering me,  got to stop it´. 

well I dont agree with you. There are specific sections of this forum such as ´Turkish politics´.

And many people read, participate and enjoy discussing the topics. And some rules about the subjects etc.. And if what I write is not suitable with the rules, I am sure they will not hesitate to warn me.

well..How do you know it is not true?

What I said was ´homosexuality was very common in istanbul until 19th century and some of the sultans had gay relations´. Of course I dont have any pictures of sultans doing it as a proof but there are some historical documents about it.

I still dont understand why it will bother anybody if those documents were telling the truth.

If knowing that ´such documents exist and say such things´ is bothering you, I can not do anything about it really..

I am forcing nobody to read my posts.

But yes..they dont need to be here, you dont need to be here, I dont need to be here..

But personally I like being here and I am planing to stay..

Thank you too..

But could you tell me what you mean by "you just want write what have you been told. You will be realize sooner or later you will only cause negative consequences."?

As far as I know nobody is telling me what to write.

If you mean what I read, then mainly I read Turkish papers (and some english newspapers for english news and politics in the uk/watch and listen to bbc news as much as I can for the world news). And I can not see anything wrong with doing that.

And what negative consequences you are talking about I am not sure.

(btw. I have been telling these things during my entire adult life. There is a great chance that I may not realize what you think i will realize