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Report reveals horrors of violence against Turkish women
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 06:05 pm |
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How can anyone take you seriously....you call out femme then make rude comments back to her. If you don´t want to share in a debate with her fine....but it doesn´t do anything for your character to be insulting. Actually, femme´s communication style might not be in touch with your´s, however believe it or not.......she makes alot of sense...
+1000000 Teas
The irony is that the one person who never complains about personal insults is Femme. At least she is not a hypocrite 
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 06:10 pm |
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I see this whole thread (with a few exceptions) is another great exercise in TC diplomacy! Yes there is abuse all over the world, just as there has been male dominance all over the world, since time began.
The difference is, some countries attack the problem as far as is physically possible. They provide shelters for abused women and children to escape to, they provide therapy to the abusers and their victims, they make domestic violence illegal and culturally unacceptable.
You may take offence at Femme´s comments, but the fact is it is COMPLETELY RIGHT to criticise a culture or country that ignores domestic violence, or even encourages it.
You may throw back as many cases as you like from my country, but until you stop culturally supporting this, you have NO ARGUMENT.
End of story.
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 06:17 pm |
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I think you made a good point previously and I commented on it drawing on my personal knowledge and experience. You have a right to disagree with me and express it, although I do think we agree more than you´d allow it to admit. I do see, however, that you are incapable of having a civil discussion/debate/exchange of ideas without it turning to be about you. You surely should start realizing that your style of communication is hurting you as nobody is taking you seriously despite some good points that you do try to make. I´ll have to join vineyards in his recommendation for you to seek professional help. Until then, I do not intend wasting any more of my precious time either reading or responding to your posts.
Entirely your prerogative but I think femme was quite right with this comment - these countries don´t welcome interference from outsiders
and theres nobody there to tell them otherwise, if you go there and tell them the truth they will kick you out of the country, they will silence you.
(If this comment seems a bit late it´s because I was having pc trouble and kept losing connection  )
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 07:36 pm |
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How can anyone take you seriously....you call out femme then make rude comments back to her. If you don´t want to share in a debate with her fine....but it doesn´t do anything for your character to be insulting. Actually, femme´s communication style might not be in touch with your´s, however believe it or not.......she makes alot of sense...
Maybe Femme has a point, but she is very personal and insulting while making them.
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 07:38 pm |
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I think you made a good point previously and I commented on it drawing on my personal knowledge and experience. You have a right to disagree with me and express it, although I do think we agree more than you´d allow it to admit. I do see, however, that you are incapable of having a civil discussion/debate/exchange of ideas without it turning to be about you. You surely should start realizing that your style of communication is hurting you as some people (including myself) have difficulty taking you seriously despite some good points that you do try to make. Until then, I do not intend wasting any more of my precious time either reading or responding to your posts.
I agree with this...
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 07:38 pm |
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I see this whole thread (with a few exceptions) is another great exercise in TC diplomacy! Yes there is abuse all over the world, just as there has been male dominance all over the world, since time began.
The difference is, some countries attack the problem as far as is physically possible. They provide shelters for abused women and children to escape to, they provide therapy to the abusers and their victims, they make domestic violence illegal and culturally unacceptable.
You may take offence at Femme´s comments, but the fact is it is COMPLETELY RIGHT to criticise a culture or country that ignores domestic violence, or even encourages it.
You may throw back as many cases as you like from my country, but until you stop culturally supporting this, you have NO ARGUMENT.
End of story.
Maybe femme has a point, but she does not stray from attacking personally many people in a vile way!
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 07:44 pm |
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Maybe femme has a point, but she does not stray from attacking personally many people in a vile way!
Maybe all those people who feel so easily attacked should read WHAT Femme says, instead of only HOW she does it.
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 07:55 pm |
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I had not heard of it, thanks Libralady.
I may be cynical but I do wonder what exactly these "awareness" campaigns actually achieve. We have nice pink ribbons for breast cancer awareness, red ones for AIDS awareness and now white ones for this.
I do wonder if the purpose is to make people feel better about themselves and to feel that wearing such a thing says something about them. It appeals to people´s vanity. Great for armchair activists..... 
Until people are aware of an issue, there is little that can be done. When others see the symbol of a cause, they feel more encouraged to discuss the problem, thus problems have more possibility of being resolved. Also, ribbons and other symbols are not free, people contribute to the "cause" thus giving funds for operations to resolve the problem.
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 07:56 pm |
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Until people are aware of an issue, there is little that can be done. When others see the symbol of a cause, they feel more encouraged to discuss the problem, thus problems have more possibility of being resolved. Also, ribbons and other symbols are not free, people contribute to the "cause" thus giving funds for operations to resolve the problem.
How will these funds raised resolve the problem of the worldwide abuse of women Alameda? 
My other comment would be that until people such as yourself stop sweeping issues under the carpet for fear of offending, you may as well buy a million ribbons or one, the effect is the same...
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:09 pm |
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Maybe all those people who feel so easily attacked should read WHAT Femme says, instead of only whining HOW she does it.
I must say, I´m amazed at how Femme´s English has improved, however, her delivery could use improvement. How one responds is a part of What they have to say. It is difficult to separate from the message, because it´s part of it.
We have many members who have difficulty in expressing themselves in English. They sometimes use the wrong words and the way they are put together is sometimes abrupt. There are times when calling people names ceases to be just a verbal mistake and goes into the insult category. This subject is one that illicits passions.
If we want to resolve the issue, communication that is informative and inspires collective action is needed. Communication that is repellant is counterproductive.
Everyone in this conversation has brought up valid points well worth consideration, none of them should be dismissed. We do want to help abused women, don´t we? Perhaps, as a collective we can find some common cause.
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27 Nov 2008 Thu 08:11 pm |
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Maybe all those people who feel so easily attacked should read WHAT Femme says, instead of only HOW she does it.
No, not necessarily. That same thing applies to everybody, and our forum rules are clear "NO personal attacks"!
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