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Is the UK going mad?
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 05:29 pm |
I never made any assumptions. Agreeing with a woman media person in America who thinks we should invade muslim countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity is dangerous and immoral.
Reverse the words christian and muslim (islam) in that sentence and I think people in America might consider that a terroristic comment. Publishing that statement in the newspaper might even get one arrested under the patriot act.
One more thing. Are you aware of what religion people that live in Turkey are by the way????
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 05:32 pm |
Oh don't bother with HER Keith - she is just an All-American girl. Now, more importantly ....CAN YOU COOK A GOOD BREAKFAST?
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 05:34 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Oh don't bother with HER Keith - she is just an All-American girl. Now, more importantly ....CAN YOU COOK A GOOD BREAKFAST?  |
Not only am I a great cook (breakfast included), I also don't sleep late so chances are, breakfast is ready the second you wake up.
Afiyet Olson...
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 08:01 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: I don't need your personal attacks here. Call me mental, insane and no morals. So I'm going to make a sane decision and not continue to debate Clinton with you. I do find it ironic, you defending someone who clearly has no morals. I wonder what kind of character you are. |
...So back to the character of Ann Coulter, who you say you love, just what brand of Christianity do you/she support? Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Protestant (Baptist, Lutheran, Calvinism...) or one of the others? Should it be the Nicene Creed or Arian? Should they be Trinitarian or Unitarian? What about the Noahide laws?
It is tragic how many lives were ruined over just such issues. How many even know what the differences are? How many had the chance to find out?
Religion is a very personal matter and one that can not be forced. It is useless if the heart does not partake. I do believe it is in the US constitution everyone should have the freedom to seek their path with a open heart and mind and no fear of persecution in their search. One can not force one to be a Christian, Muslim or Atheist.
The greatly esteemed first president George Washington
....was an early supporter of religious toleration and freedom of religion. In 1775, he ordered that his troops not show anti-Catholic sentiments by burning the pope in effigy on Guy Fawkes Night. When hiring workmen for Mount Vernon, he wrote to his agent, "If they be good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa, or Europe; they may be Mohammedans, Jews, or Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists."[44] In 1790, he wrote a response to a letter from the Touro Synagogue, in which he said that as long as people remain good citizens, their faith does not matter. This was a relief to the Jewish community of the United States, since the Jews had been either expelled from or prejudiced against in many European countries.
Did you know more than a few of the founding fathers of the USA were not Christians, they were Deists?
"We know who the homicidal maniacs are." Really??? Is Ms. Coulter who is acting like judge and jury is a psychic? As an American, what about:
Presumption of innocence is a legal right that the accused in criminal trials has in many modern nations. It states that no person shall be considered guilty until finally convicted by a court. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to convince the court that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In principle, the defense does not have to 'prove' anything. However, the defense may present evidence tending to show that there is a doubt as to the guilt of the accused. "innocent until proven guilty"?
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 09:10 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Oh don't bother with HER Keith - she is just an All-American girl. Now, more importantly ....CAN YOU COOK A GOOD BREAKFAST?  |
Please, she does not represent all American girls by long shot!
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 09:10 pm |
Is the US going mad? Should we follow their example?
Controversy and Criticism
Many Muslim Americans especially have been criticized for supporting terrorism, fundamentalist ideas or views which are contrary to the American society and mindset. In Minneapolis, Minnesota, some Muslim cab drivers have refused passengers carrying alcoholic beverages or dogs (including disabled passengers with guide dogs). There are reported incidents in which Muslims cashiers in grocery stores have refused to sell pork products.
The largest Muslim civil rights organization in America, CAIR has been accused of supporting terrorism. The University of Michigan-Dearborn and a public college in Minnesota has also been criticized for accommodating Islamic prayer rituals by constructing footbaths for Muslim students using tax payers money. This exception made only for Muslims goes against the college's long standing policy of not promoting religion and also against the US Constitution.
A San Diego public elementary school is being heavily criticized for accommodating of American Muslims by adding Arabic to its curriculum and giving breaks for Muslim prayers. By making these exceptions only for Muslims, the school is being criticized for either endorsing Islam or crossing the line separating the church and the state, which is unacceptable for a public school in a multi-religious American society.
The first American Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison has openly compared President George W. Bush to Hitler and said that he might be responsible for 9/11 attacks.
A 2006 poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, it was discovered that 26% of American Muslims under the age of 30 supported suicide bombings against civilian targets often or at least in some circumstances. Among those over the age of 30, 13% expressed their support for the same. (9% of Muslims over 30 and 5% under 30 chose not to answer). Based on these findings, Fox News and Yahoo News have reported that one out of four young U.S. Muslims believe homicide bombings against civilians are OK to 'defend Islam,'.
Yahoo News further reports that the same poll has also uncovered other disturbing findings. It has been discovered that only 40 percent of U.S. Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks. Another 28 percent don't believe it - and 32 percent said they had no view. Among 28 percent who doubted that Arabs were behind the conspiracy, one-fourth claim the U.S. government or President George Bush was responsible. Only 26 percent of American Muslims believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to root out international terrorism. Five percent of those surveyed had a "very favorable" or "somewhat favorable" view of the terrorist group Al-Qaeda. Only 35% of American Muslims stated that the decision for military action in Afghanistan was the right one and 12% supported the use of military force in Iraq. It was also discovered in the same poll that only 28% of American Muslims identify themselves as American first. Others choose to identify themselves as Muslims.
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 09:23 pm |
What are you doing here? Scoring off eachother? Showing who can tell the best anti-stories? Oofff, what a kindergarten suddenly!
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 09:29 pm |
Yep you are right Trudy. Enough!
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 11:25 pm |
hi every one
i did not like to participate in this discussion so there is one remark must be known to everyone, already mentioned to some friends here, what happened in 11 September in America or then in London or so in Iraq now are by people who are Muslims only in name and doing so distorted the principles of Islam is mercy and peace , because Islam rejects the killing of innocent self, which is not in the war whatever the Jewish or Christian,or any religions,so the Islamic religion tolerant is innocent of those killers, even everyone knows that greet of Islam is a peace to you ,I hope this is an end to all discussions on terrorism which accused always the Arabs and Muslims in wrong of course ,so please change your view about Islam
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 11:28 pm |
Quoting elham: hi every one
i did not like to participate in this discussion so there is one remark must be known to everyone, already mentioned to some friends here, what happened in 11 September in America or then in London or so in Iraq now are by people who are Muslims only in name and doing so distorted the principles of Islam is mercy and peace , because Islam rejects the killing of innocent self, which is not in the war whatever the Jewish or Christian,or any religions,so the Islamic religion tolerant is innocent of those killers, even everyone knows that greet of Islam is a peace to you ,I hope this is an end to all discussions on terrorism which accused always the Arabs and Muslims in wrong of course ,so please change your view about Islam
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Thanks for your words Elham. I hope someday soon we can put all this behind us and begin healing.
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20 Sep 2007 Thu 11:56 pm |
Quoting Trudy: What are you doing here? Scoring off eachother? Showing who can tell the best anti-stories? Oofff, what a kindergarten suddenly! |
I like a good debate on real issues, I won't lie. But talk of converting all muslims to Christianity is just ridiculous. It deserves a harsh response...
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