This is the thread you should have posted the "Warning" sign on! 

I like this!  I think we should have more signs like this to warn of what to expect in the different threads.  I will propose it at the Admin/Mod AGM (Christmas Party) next week

Hmmm "quite primitive", im surprised , He is a terrorist leader, the one who raped terrorist girls, who killed families, the handsom. Only a brainwashed can say this, actually you never make sense, also there have been terrorists from other nations in PKK rather than Kurds btw..

You are defending these terrorists from the beginning. And Turkish facists which were fed up during cold war did not hit only Kurds but also other ethnicities and Alevis who did not even think to rebel the Turkey, which proves your double standards maybe tens of times here . Btw it is not jailing Kurdish politicians, it is jailing terrorists who claimed to be politician, there still some politician in parliament whose husband is on mountains.

I dont believe, actually i am sure that problem is puppet facist Kurdish leaders who are directing the ignorant people by threatening with their feodal system, caused many rebellions during the Republic history. As we talked before one of the result of this is Islahat planý. I think the lies you were told are the same as which was used to brainwash Kurdish people to convert them into terrorist who hate everything about Turkey. Denying the effect of foreign intelligent services that are using sometimes ülkücü group or counter guerilla organizations, sometimes other ethnicities in Turkey, is simply absurd, because it is clear as day . After cold war strategies and targets are of course changed due to the project of BOP. I am sure you did not believe that terrorist wearing Turkish army uniform, killing people.

Since i learned your mentality from the beginning when you called terrorists as "young boys", i would say the same thing to you, imo you are trying to justify terrorism here. And any concession in the way dealing terrorists of Turkish authorities gathers more dahgerous situations even more inner rebellions because this time Turkish people will begin to use weapons instead of army. In fact i think Turkey is getting closer to this situation, thanks to our government AKP...

I do like to read Perihan Maðden because of her style of writing and her smart  sarcasms.  But I dont believe someone if just say something without evidence. I do think Perihan maðden naively said this number  But this is just an huge and blind exagaration as I explained in my previous post.

"Abdullah Öcalan’ýn televizyon seyredebilmesi, 3 çocuðun hayatýný kurtaracaksa; ben plazma televizyon kurdururum hücresine arkadaþ."
I agree with her aims generally but I think issues are not easy to resolve as she naively describe.

I have always found him very primitive indeed I dont know what you are trying say up there? agreeing? disagreeing? Do you find him sophisticated? what?

You are reapeating himself and mixing up the concepts there..it is always the case that anybody talks about kurdish rights and our wrong doings, have always been accused the same way. So it is not original at all.

I think you should go and read a little bit more about these issues..Even the most army loving liberals are accepting now that  the REAL cause of this conflict has been ´denying the right of kurds in the first place and the assimilation since the beginning of republic´.

Sark islahat plani, as a document, is a slap on the face for people who think we have done nothing wrong.

I am not trying to justify terrorism here and I never did. You very well know that. 

This is one of the the cheapest arguments when people have run out of arguments..

Here are some links for you to read:

(Turkish) http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx?aType2.2008&CategoryID=77 (List of missing people made to vanish by the ´authorities´ you are mentioning and loving and believing whatever they say)

Mehmet Ali Birand (English) http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=10510827&yazarid=298 

It was an allusion unfortunately you fail to understand . the adjective "primitive" with "quite" to describe him, is just making him an angel i think , but i expect more soften term from you actually, thats why i said im surprised.

What do you think you are doing? Of course ill say the same thing, thats what i learned and thought to be the truth, only i use different expressions and informations to state my thoughts. If i say something to oppose my thinking, i betray myself and the truth . So you mean those anybodies think like me, im happy for them then. Do you think your thoughts original? I think you love to be original, what a pity im ordinary

Please dont advice me to read something, i already read many of them in years. In Turkey not only Kurds living thehandsom, i know thats sorrowful for you but real. But mostly Kurds rebel all the time, if they speak Kurdish, Arabic, Turkish nothing changes since they choose to be a toy of facist Agas or others, fixed with experience and history. 

I know very well what you are trying to do here. Actually im a plain person, i prefer to say what i think about people without hiding. And ill try to reply your made-up accusations if i have time. In fact you running out of argument and this post is a good example for this

I am calling the guy primitive and you are accusing me that I am trying to show him as an angel? hahaha

You really made me laugh man..

So they are a faulty people eh? somehow, they always choose to be a toy of others? You are accusing the Kurds as people here. That seems abit of a racism to me.. Dont you think? 

what am I trying to do here then? What made up accusations are you talking? I have already given  many documents here..

The one of the last links was people who were KILLED (MADE DISSPEAR) by our security forces for example. Do you talk about it? no. Do you have a heart to say that ´yes our security forces killed those people unlawfully?´ ..no.

I showed you a slap on the face  documentation ´sark islahat plani´ for example. do you say anything about it? no.

I gave many many examples of how ´our own mistakes created´ this entire kurdish problem. do you come up with anything apart from ´ah they are all terrorists, they are toys of the foreign powers´? no..

If you come up with credible arguments, I promise to tell you more stories and facts from the history about the entire problem. But since you are not producing anything I dont think it is worth really..

So the argument with you is over for me in this thread..

I still recommend you to go and read more though

Here to teach or learn Turkish ...or to make comments on political issues half of which are nothing more than lies organised to steal people´s time,to make them think of useless things???

I visit here sometimes,boast with the teachers trying to teach Turkish for free and the learners who are willing to learn it.

Yes,forums generally include sharing ideas but not the ones inviting people to think of  racism!

So,please dear admins...could it be possible to close this subject of the forum ?

thanks in advance..wishing you all the best in your teaching and learning duration.

regards, 

It seems that you are implying that handsom’s contributions are less than yours (which I wonder about because you only have 6 posts here) just because you do not agree with his point of view. Handsom has been a great contributor to translations….including many, many poems, songs and requests by insipid girls who don’t bother learning the language of the men they get involved with.

You also imply that members are not smart enough to form their own opinions……that infuriates me! We are not sheep. We don’t read something posted and think….OMG this MUST be true!!! Most of us are intelligent and know how to research things that peak our interest and then form our own conclusions.

If you find the thread distasteful enough that you feel it necessary to call for someone else to put a stop to it….just don’t respond!

QUOTE :If you find the thread distasteful enough that you feel it necessary to call for someone else to put a stop to it….just don’t respond!

Hmmm... oh well...ha ha haaaaaaaaa!!!

Lack of understanding, i said "i think describing him like this" and then said "expect more soften term from you" , do you want me to spell maybe more easy to understand ?

As i said, im a plain person, if it is their choice; instead of rebelling the facist Agas or other, some choose to rebel the state. Saying this racism, then so it be, i cant twist well unfortunately.

Everyone can find documents from biased or PKK sympathizer web page, these dont mean they are saying the truth. Just like Ros´s one, when one "who just nothing knows about Turkish politics" says "wow how wonderful Zana, she won also human rights award" without knowing reality and her racist comments, thats just you are trying to do here to justify terrorism.

Yes, it seems you dont want to remember my posts about the events such as 6-7 Eylül or the events caused 1980 coup, but i always explained what caused them instead of defaming the whole nation. You need to freshen your memory.

Which slap? I had shown you many times what caused Islahat planý and never defended it.

Haha, im not throwing all blame to Turkish authorities, thats our difference. Btw never called all Kurds terrorists. Do you come up with anything that it is result of Turkish racism?

Ok, i will do my best to satisfy you by producing something then, please dont hesitate to come-up with your so-called facts from history .

Bay Bay, see you next time

thehandsom, i recommend you to read me more