You are quite right LIR. I try to find links that offer other resources and clarify some linguistic issues.

 I think both are nearly equally important. There is no use in making good points if you turn people away from wanting to listen to them. I am not easily offended and I dont mind people saying stuff about me, but especially in cases like this where you KNOW that they send you away anyway, you are not helping anyone by making comments that are supposed to change a mentality, if you dont take in account the current state of that mentality. If you want to help people (by a mentality change), then you should approach them in a way that fits them. Even if you think people should be able to deal with the raw words just as they are. I may not have a problem with that way of speech, but Im not the one who needs to be told those.

"I don´t need the explanations for I´m an Arab, but for whose don´t understand"

To be honest I don´t see the problem in posting links. You can click on them or not. I generally don´t have a look at them, unless I find the topic interesting and want to have a quick look at it. But I don´t think it is bothering to read, the only thing is that the colour of the letters becomes blue.

I don´t find it that patronizing either, because I don´t feel like I need to be lectured nor do I feel that is the aim of the links Alameda or anyone for that matter posts.

 Actually if you would read what some other people have been saying, you would find that they agree on a lot you say (at least I do!) only in a different way (at least I do!).

I am not bothered by your way of speech that much. You can also call me a crying baby, liar or ´diplomatic´ admin as much as you please. I can´t be bothered, you have a different way of speaking than I do (at least online ). But you should understand that not all people think that way, and if your first aim is to make people understand what you are saying, the more you shout, the less they will understand your point. Some people just work differently.

And I don´t think you lost (and Im sure you don´t think either ). I notice what you shout about and I couldn´t agree more, though you tend to generalize quite much, but I think the baseline of what you say is very true.

 beautifully put and easy to take, ready on a tray, just take it. of course you are right.

but anyway, i think theres no point of talking to people like alameda or libra. they will never get it. no matter what you say, in what form you say. its just not their pain, not their skin burnt.

for them more important is how you put it, what the title is, etc etc, they never talk on the subject itself, they join to change the sucbject - to draw the attention from the essense, to steal your attention to the unnecessary garbage like the word definition, links, or the same faults in the west and globalize it to the international level - a pure brain laundry.

and some of you with some reasonable attitude let yourlseves caught in a game they play.

esp. alameda is so much manipulative, she can make a soup out of your brain right under your own nose.

lets not talk about femme, lets talk about the pain/problem femme points out.

yes very easternized till I consider myself as a real Arab Proud to be an Arab and know this wonderful language as my native

 so you dont know who you are? if you become an arab, then be an arab and keep to it. and dont play your games here: be an european when it fits, or be an arab when it fits again.

why did you lie then in the previous post that you were an arab? do you have to use taqyya everytime?

Now that we are talking about women and abuses they are subjected to; we should also talk about a scandal which is still so high on Turkey´s agenda. The scandal has developed around Uzmez who is a columnist with Vakit a radical Islamist newspaper. Contrary what people may naturally expect from the proponents of Islam, this writer turned out to be a child abuser who abused a 14 year old girl as a result of a police raid into the house where he commited the criminal activity. He and the mother of the girl who was charged with selling her daughter to men were taken in custody and the child was sent to an orphanage for protection. So far so good; (so bad actually) in the end, we know that there are perverts amongs us who are capable of such act. It is a good thing that two of them have been captured. But it doesn´t end there. The Editor of that ultra religious newspaper protects his writer, saying "We are Muslims and we are judged by the rules of it." and the editor repeats "Would you consent going through judgement according to Islamic rules yourselves too?"

According to Islam a fourteen year old is considered an adult. The Sheria states, in order to prove adultery or abuse, one needs to provide 4 witnesses. In the absence of those 4 witnesses, the one who claims he/she is abused is a liar. According to Islam again, you could demand forgiveness if you repent. This editor Dilipak, also accused a photomodel (Kayaci) and a veteran actress (Mujda Ar) together with the owner of the media group as porn stars.

This proves that there is a certain form of Islam that live a parasitic life in a democratic settings slowly but persistently destroying the system from within.

No need to talk about that here femmeous

and taqyya isn´t from my religion too

 If you are referring to me, I don´t think I let myself get caught in any game around here, mainly because I don´t take everything so seriously. But I do enjoy being here and learn a great deal of how different people think

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Yes please I got bored of talking about you. Wanna have a vodka-cherry instead? I don´t have any icecubes though, it´s cold enough here as it is.