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the killing continues, GAZA
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520.       chiko
135 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 01:19 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 

 

they are copies of mohammad. they love mohammad so much that they are acting exactly like him.

 

i thought you were a clever woman

521.       femmeous
2642 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 01:23 pm

 

Quoting chiko

 

 

i thought you were a clever woman

 

im sorry to disappoint you.

522.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 08:32 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 And more knowledgeable

 

Absolutely.

523.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 08:33 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

Canli thank you for you very patient answer   Actually (of course) what you say is almost completely right.  May I just correct you on one point about your religion?  You made the comment that only muslims are allowed to receive Zakah.  In fact, you are allowed to give non-musilms Zakah in an emergency, where the matter is life or death.  However, the culture remains "we don´t give money to non-muslims, only our Islam family", as Alameda was happy to declare!

 

Despite Peacetrain´s concerns that I am trying to attack Islam, I am actually not.  I am just amazed at how little many muslims (even fervent converted ones!) know about their own religion!  It is a shame that so many take on the antiquated practises of other cultures and think it is part of Islam. I can understand why men would want to keep the status quo, but I do wonder about the women!    For example, ask any Professor of Islamic Studies what the meaning of obeying your husband is and they will reply that it is symbolic and not relevent to modern times.  It is only of significance in prayer.  However, ask many muslim men of its meaning, and you will get a completely different answer

 

Even dear Peacetrain had to wait until she received the comfort of your back-up before replying - mostly with just psychological assumptions about me   Anyway she will need to calm down after all her huffing and puffing ...

 

Predictable response.

524.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 08:35 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Yes I ridicule people for their "beliefs" because you are all following distorted versions and have man made practises.  No religion seems to agree within itself.  You call yourselves "family" but all have varying degrees of understanding of the same religion - you mix antiquated cultural practises with religious ones, you cannot agree on any aspect in fact, until you are attacked and then you become a big "family"!  Religion, and your interpretation of it, depends only on the mere fact of geographical location at birth with the few exceptions of "converted" ones like you. 

 

Ask a simple question about a particular religion and you may get 100s of different replies.  An intellectural will have a different answer to an uneducated one.  A Saudi will have a different view to a Turk..... and so it goes. 

 

How can you have faith, when you have no clear understanding or agreement?  You can answer "but my faith is private and personal to me".  It is not - it affects the whole world...

 

Predictable.

525.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 09:52 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

Canli thank you for you very patient answer   Actually (of course) what you say is almost completely right.  May I just correct you on one point about your religion?  You made the comment that only muslims are allowed to receive Zakah.  In fact, you are allowed to give non-musilms Zakah in an emergency, where the matter is life or death.  However, the culture remains "we don´t give money to non-muslims, only our Islam family", as Alameda was happy to declare!

 

Despite Peacetrain´s concerns that I am trying to attack Islam, I am actually not.  I am just amazed at how little many muslims (even fervent converted ones!) know about their own religion!  It is a shame that so many take on the antiquated practises of other cultures and think it is part of Islam. I can understand why men would want to keep the status quo, but I do wonder about the women!    For example, ask any Professor of Islamic Studies what the meaning of obeying your husband is and they will reply that it is symbolic and not relevent to modern times.  It is only of significance in prayer.  However, ask many muslim men of its meaning, and you will get a completely different answer

 

Even dear Peacetrain had to wait until she received the comfort of your back-up before replying - mostly with just psychological assumptions about me   Anyway she will need to calm down after all her huffing and puffing ...

 

 You are quite knowledgable Aenigma...thus you must know that in order to be considered a Muslim one only has to utter the shehadah. 

 

أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله

ašhadu al lā ilāha illa l-Lāh, wa ašhadu anna muammadar rasūlu l-Lāh

 

Of course this is to be sincerely from the heart.  Everything springs from that. Some are highly educated, some are not. but at least all Muslims agree on that.

 

As to what I said, you have it wrong.  "we don´t give money to non-muslims, only our Islam family", as Alameda was happy to declare!

 

Here is what I actually said:

 

"Of course Muslims prefer to help Muslims.  Do you have a problem with that?

 

The analogy would be,  helping one´s  own family members first, not go to the family down the street."

 

I did not anywhere say charity is denied to others.

526.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 09:52 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

 

 

Predictable.

 

 Hahaha this is all you can say lol

Ciko is a muslim and he agreed 100% - but you are just lost for words eh?

527.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 09:54 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

Some are highly educated, some are not. but at least all Muslims agree on that.

 

 So you agree the rest is a mess - with confusion over translations, cultures and interpretations? lol

528.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 10:07 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Hahaha this is all you can say lol

Ciko is a muslim and he agreed 100% - but you are just lost for words eh?

 

predictable

529.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 10:08 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 So you agree the rest is a mess - with confusion over translations, cultures and interpretations? lol

 

yawningly predictable

530.       chiko
135 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 10:09 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

 

 

yawningly predictable

 

i swear this was much more predictable

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