You probably, I´m not. So no, no ´we´. (Yikes, the idea of ´we´.)

 Great post DD.   However to react to your first paragraph, there are possible some members who still think women declaring themselves equal to men are crazy.....

I would definitely expect heterosexual teachers to talk to kids about human sex life, when and as necessary....not of their own sex lives.

The idea of a homosexual ( or one with other kinds of sexual perversions, including heterosexuals who like to talk about their own sex lives) teacher trying to impart attidudes similar to Trudy´s or DD´s - to kids in growing stage - is disgusting to me.

I for one still think that the women declaring themselves equal to men are crazy.If these girls want to fell trees or go hunting, so be it...

Thank god, intelligent women are well aware that they are better.

 Bit late for that comment, there are female lumberjacks and women go hunting (i used to!) and there are plenty of women in construction (my industry) bricklayers, plumbers, decorators, carpenters etc etc but I don´t know many men who have had a baby

Being a teacher I told - in the past - many youngsters about the existence of all aspects of human sexuality, including homosexuality, incest (and how to file complaints!), rape (and how to protect - as far as possible), porn, prostitution, STD´s (and how to protect yourself), pregnancy (and how to avoid), abortion and a lot more. Why? Because the curriculum in my country says these are compulsory subjects. Did I give my opinion? In a way, yes, by stating that I think people should be free in their acts as long as it is within all laws. Did I favour any? No. E.g. when teaching about the difficult subject of abortion I gave information about adoption, clinics and keeping the child - all options. When teaching about homosexuality I told what the law says, where to find people alike but also where to find ´help´ if one couldn´t handle it.

Now, still a teacher but not longer teaching youngsters, I once in a while have to tell - mostly on request - about what is regarded as normal in my country. Why? Because the compulsory course of becoming a citizen with a permanent visa or getting a passport says newscomers have to know about these subjects. These are even on the video that goes with the course one needs in the country of birth before coming here.

Is that perverted? So be it. I think it is liberal. As liberal as allowing newscomers to have their own beliefs and traditions, within the law.

1. The kind of ladies you list here are at the bottom of my own "Enhanced, favorite ladies classification list", immediately above feminist ladies and lesbians.

2. You win !  Some of Trudy´s gentlemen friends may be trying their best to  get themselves impregnated - but it will not work.

 ummm....excuse me, but it was you who asked the question:

"I´m very interested to hear what Alpha calls normal. Is it normal to do ´it´ outside your bedroom, in public, to like SM, to use toys, to read/watch porn, to have several partners at the same time or in a continuously row of lovers, to have an age gap of decades between partners, etc? Still, all these things are practised by people who call themselves ´normal heterosexuals´. Anyone who can enlighten me? "

Note you said you are VERY interested.

I said:

"Actually, I´d prefer not to have to think about what consulting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.  Doesn´t anyone practice discretion anymore?  I´m not peeping into anyone´s keyhole, and I´d prefer they not peep in mine...or make any conjecture as to what I´m doing, imagine or would like to do or might do."

 What age were the children?  How extensive were the topics covered?

 As usual, a thoughtful comment. Of course, I disagree with much of it.......but this will take some time.  In short though....one would find it difficult not to show one is a male or female, that fact is self evident, particularly after puberty. 

Homosexuality is a private matter.  The only way one would know about it is if one disclosed it themselves. 

The US and England had the Coverture Laws.  A married woman simply did not exist. 

"British law defined the role of the wife as a ‘feme covert,’ emphasizing her subordination to her husband, and putting her under the ‘protection and influence of her husband, her baron, or lord.’(see Coverture) Upon marriage, the husband and wife became one person under the law, as the property of the wife was surrendered to her husband, and her legal identity ceased to exist. Any personal property acquired by the wife during the marriage, unless specified that it was for her own separate use, went automatically to her husband. Further, married women were unable to draft wills or dispose of any property without their husbands’ consent."

In fact much of this law still existed in the US until the 70s, when the plight of the Vietnam POW and MIA wives came to attention.  Those poor women could hardly function as their husbands were not available and they could not sell property,

When the family´s 1958 Ford began wheezing its last, Mrs. Virginia Fobair of Tampa, Fla., tried first to sell it, then to give it away. Hemmed in by legalisms, she finally donated it to an elementary-school carnival where, for only a dime, customers could swing a hammer at Mrs. Fobair´s "frustration car." Mrs. Evelyn Grubb of Colonial Heights, Va., applied twice for a BankAmericard; both times the company replied that her husband´s signature was required on the application. Mrs. Phyllis Kline and her husband, also of Tampa, owned an interest in a nearby orange grove that Mrs. Kline wanted to put on the market. But since the name of her husband, Air Force Lieut. Colonel Robert Kline, was on the title, she could not negotiate a sale.

The three women share a common problem: the agony of having their husbands missing in action or prisoners of war in Southeast Asia is compounded by frustrating legal tangles in their daily lives. They and the other wives run into a variety of restraints. Summer camps sometimes will not accept a child without the father´s written approval. An insurance company held up payment for property destroyed in a fire. Colonel Kline gave his wife some legal power to deal with his property before he went to Viet Nam, but it proved not to be broad enough.

As for sex being only for procreation, that is a Christian concept.  It does not exist in Islam or Judaism. 

I agree homosexuality is a private matter that´s why homosexuals do not fight for their right for the right to be branded. What I believe they fight for is the right not to be discriminated against. Of course it´s easier to hide one´s sexual preferrence than sex or skin colour but does that mean it has to be hidden? If you´re a woman, don´t you demand being treated equally to men? Or if you´re a person of colour, don´t you demand equal rights? So, why shouldn´t you demand equal rights if you´re gay? Will you make a worse employee merely because of your orientation? If you´re gay you should have the right not to live in hide-out. Gays should be able to live together, take mortgage, do their taxes together without being treated like freaks.

We cannot live pretending there are no homosexuals around us. There are many. And they just want to get the same opportunities heterosexual people get. What is wrong with that? Times change, attitudes change. Like you wrote above, in the ´60 or even ´70 women meant nothing without husbands in the west (I was actually surprised it lasted till so recently. My mum was born in 1957 and she is from the generation of women who made their own decisions about their life), and still there are women in Muslim countries who cannot even leave their house without a man by their side. Things have changed for women in the west and I´m sure so they will for those men-dominated women in the east. Wester women didn´t get their rights for free. They had to protest, march and demonstrate to be noticed and heard. Black people were subject to segregation until uhm 60s? Should they have been quiet about it? Had they been discreete and inconspicuous, they would still be banned from sitting in front seats on buses. They fought for their rights and now they have them. It will be the same with homosexual people. They will finally get what they should be entitled to. Of course there are people who´ll always be prejudiced against some groups, against women who are not chained to kitchen sinks, against coloured people sitting next to them on a train or gay people living in the apartment next door. Fortunately, we are a peculiar kind of species that gets used to what we get to know better. The more we hear about something the more normal it begins to seem. That´s why gay people encouraged to come out no longer have to pretend. They can live the life they want, not hurting anyone.