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    				Being not married and having a child
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				 15 Jul 2007 Sun 09:46 pm | 
			 
			
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	No! It's not what you think, I'm not pregnant.   But a Turkish friend told me that when a woman in Turkey is not married and has a child that child is not getting an identity card from the government, as if the child does not excist. This not having an ID means also no health insurance but - to me most important - no right to education, to school. The kid will be uneducated, probably also illiterate. 
 
 Is that really true? In 2007?		 
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:00 am | 
			 
			
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	thats not true Trudy,and which law system can punnish an innocent baby  this way,sure it has all rights as the all others..But pity thats a real to soceity look at this kids with the bad eyes as if they r quilty mostly..		 
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:08 am | 
			 
			
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	 Quoting Trudy: No! It's not what you think, I'm not pregnant.   But a Turkish friend told me that when a woman in Turkey is not married and has a child that child is not getting an identity card from the government, as if the child does not excist. This not having an ID means also no health insurance but - to me most important - no right to education, to school. The kid will be uneducated, probably also illiterate. 
 
 Is that really true? In 2007?  |  
  Sick!		
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:11 am | 
			 
			
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	they get idenitity card with surname of her/his mother..		 
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:13 am | 
			 
			
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	theres a saying about that in Turkish,''gördüğün inan,duyduğuna inanma''(believe what you saw and don't belive what you heard)  		 
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:17 am | 
			 
			
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	 Quoting MrX67: theres a saying about that in Turkish,''gördüğün inan,duyduğuna inanma''(believe what you saw and don't belive what you heard)    |  
   but if it was a turkish person who told her this is it maybe that way in some places?   		
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:19 am | 
			 
			
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	 Quoting karekin04: Quoting MrX67: theres a saying about that in Turkish,''gördüğün inan,duyduğuna inanma''(believe what you saw and don't belive what you heard)    |  
   but if it was a turkish person who told her this is it maybe that way in some places?    |  
  i think just an information error karekin..		
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:21 am | 
			 
			
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	 Quoting MrX67: Quoting karekin04: Quoting MrX67: theres a saying about that in Turkish,''gördüğün inan,duyduğuna inanma''(believe what you saw and don't belive what you heard)    |  
   but if it was a turkish person who told her this is it maybe that way in some places?    |  
  i think just an information error karekin.. |  
  
 
 Hmmm   ama...I would imagine, Mr. X67, in a culture where virginity and parentage are of paramount importance, it is a disgrace to have a child if you are not married...no?		
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:22 am | 
			 
			
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	 Quote: i think just an information error karekin..  |  
   i hope so, that would be very sad   but on the topic maybe you can answere a question thats kindoff on that topic.  If a woman there does have a child when she is not married (with her boyfriend or whatever) do the men take responsibility? Maybe even help out financially?		
		
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				 16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:27 am | 
			 
			
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	 Quoting aenigma x: Quoting MrX67: Quoting karekin04: Quoting MrX67: theres a saying about that in Turkish,''gördüğün inan,duyduğuna inanma''(believe what you saw and don't belive what you heard)    |  
   but if it was a turkish person who told her this is it maybe that way in some places?    |  
  i think just an information error karekin.. |  
  
 
 Hmmm   ama...I would imagine, Mr. X67, in a culture where virginity and parentage are of paramount importance, it is a disgrace to have a child if you are not married...no? |  
  well as i said to be a kid without a dad or to be a singel mum may be one of the hardest social stitation in Turkish people still,especially at the rural areas aenigma,may be thats a wrong choice for  the mum,but who can blame an innocent baby or kid about the mistake or choice of parents??		
		
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