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Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:36 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Alameda, your post is so condescending to millions of women who WANT to fit in the work place yet are discriminated against. It is disrespectful to women who paved the way for us to be able to choose whether we want to have careers and be independent and to not be at a mercy of men. You are also disrespectful to the women who are still fighting for equal treatment and independence! It is appalling what you said!
SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF, OK? YOUR VIEWS ARE PRIMITIVE AND SEXIST. IF YOU WANT TO STAY AT HOME, NOONE IS FORBIDDING YOU, BUT SOME WOMEN HAVE OTHER AMBITIONS, OK? RESPECT THAT! |
Are you loosing your cool there with shouting my dear? Speak for yourself. To me your ideas are rather crude as well....and sexist as well. I have simply voiced a view contrary to you. As I see it, you would march all women into commercial ventures were they can be exploited in a work force, their children put into "daycare centers" (another commercial venture I might add) Home is unimportant, we can get frozen dinners to heat up in our microwaves, to hell with the nutrition value or hygienic standards...and forget about loving hands at home...off to the exploited hands in the factories we go. Great, progress!
As for the women who paved the way, my greatgrandmother, grandmother, my mother, aunts and myself ARE those women. When you have a fraction of the experience we have, I´ll be more inclined listen to you.
In no way have I spoken against women entering the work force, reread please. What I have done, is bring about another viewpoint...add perspective, you know?
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:49 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
It is crap like this which keeps me away more often than not lately. There is no point arguing with such an antiquitity as you! I don´t know how old you are, but I do hope your views die out with your generation. |
My, such grace, charm and eloquence. The brilliance of your argument leaves me speechless. Kindest regards to you too. 
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:52 pm |
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Quoting alameda: add perspective, you know?
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After having read many of your postings - including the ones that drove me away in November! - I have to laugh out loud by reading these words. Perspective, from you? Whoehahahaha.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:59 pm |
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Perspective? What you have done is what you always do. Assume that your view is omnipotent above all others. You told handsom that he is not a free thinking individual….only a follower who swallows propaganda??? Where the hell do you get off?
Your way of thinking is what sets women backwards. Who are you to say women don’t fit into men’s work modes? Your arrogance is boundless!!!
If YOU have paved the way for women, I will take a different road!!!!!
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 08:15 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Perspective? What you have done is what you always do. Assume that your view is omnipotent above all others. You told handsom that he is not a free thinking individual….only a follower who swallows propaganda??? Where the hell do you get off?
Your way of thinking is what sets women backwards. Who are you to say women don’t fit into men’s work modes? Your arrogance is boundless!!!
If YOU have paved the way for women, I will take a different road!!!!!
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Ah girleegirl, joining in the pack again! When have you ever posted an original idea, added substance to a conversation? You think that sets women backwards? It would be nice if you would be a more thoughtful reader and actually read what I write, rather than just joining in the pack.
Your choice of words shows your deep thought in the matter.
As for me saying women don´t fit in to mens work modes, I believe that scientific research that has shown women and men are different, otherwise there would be only one sex, you know? What I do propose is finding, looking into what makes females unique and different, and then utilizing that knowledge.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 08:24 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
Ah girleegirl, joining in the pack again! When have you ever posted an original idea, added substance to a conversation? You think that sets women backwards? It would be nice if you would be a more thoughtful reader and actually read what I write, rather than just joining in the pack.
Your choice of words shows your deep thought in the matter.
As for me saying women don´t fit in to mens work modes, I believe that´s scientific research that has shown women and men are different, otherwise there would be only one sex, you know? What I do propose is finding, looking into what makes females unique and different, and then utilizing that knowledge. |
Ah alameda, I see I´ve struck a nerve. You think your ideas are original? Hardly! 
I know you think you can intimidate people with your pseudo-intellectualism, but there are some here that don´t fall for it and that REALLY gets you doesn´t it?
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 08:25 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting alameda: add perspective, you know?
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After having read many of your postings - including the ones that drove me away in November! - I have to laugh out loud by reading these words. Perspective, from you? Whoehahahaha. |
Welcome back Trudy,
I sorry if I hurt your feelings, I didn´t realize it was me who drove you away in November.
Like it or not, there are many perspectives. Some you may like, some you may not like. It seems rather constrictive to only have one shown here.
The perspective I voice is held by many. I only am giving it voice, which I think is my right. You are free to agree or disagree. If you do disagree, isn´t is a good idea to articulate the reasons? This helps in understanding.
Ideas held in secret, subject to no scruitiny, do not serve any very well.
perspective
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 09:00 pm |
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I have to admit that I am more of a traditionalist here. Children are better off when they have a parent at home. Since women give birth, it is only natural that it is the mother who stays home. I attribute many problems of western society to "daycare kids". I also understand that some families have no choice and need the money. That said, I completey respect that all women deserve the choice of whether to stay home or work.
I just saw recently that women in the US still only make $0.77 for every $1.00 a man makes for the same job.
So it is not just Turkey that women suffer professional inequity...
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 09:12 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Welcome back Trudy,
I sorry if I hurt your feelings, I didn´t realize it was me who drove you away in November. |
The first words I find hypocrite. I predicted to someone here who knows your posts that you wouldn´t understand. Well, I know now who things says and how to judge these words (on a scale from 1-10 about around 1+). Anyway, in your perspective I´m absolutely not interested. As GG said: you´re arrogant and you think (as we say in Dutch) you have the right at your side. And as you may have noticed there are many here in this or other topics that find your views old fashioned, sexist and humiliating for women. But, of course, that you won´t understand as well!
P.S. Thanks for the link about the word ´perspective´, it´s clear you can´t see other members as adults, wise enough to know or find several definitions of a word themselves. So therefor a compliment for something you are good in: patronising people.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 09:12 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: I have to admit that I am more of a traditionalist here. Children are better off when they have a parent at home. Since women give birth, it is only natural that it is the mother who stays home. I attribute many problems of western society to "daycare kids". I also understand that some families have no choice and need the money. That said, I completey respect that all women deserve the choice of whether to stay home or work.
I just saw recently that women in the US still only make $0.77 for every $1.00 a man makes for the same job.
So it is not just Turkey that women suffer professional inequity... |
I was lucky enough to have extended family to stay with my son, so no daycare was needed. I can´t tell you what my choice would have been if I didn´t have that option. My feeling is that I probably would have chosen career over having a family. I can´t say I am crazy about the idea of daycare either, although that is my personal feeling. I know there is plenty of research that says daycare children do just fine.
Women are still struggling to reach workplace equality....you are definately right. But I think they are still struggling because many of us have to choose between working extra hours to get ahead or go home and take care of family, cook dinner....that kind of thing. What are your thoughts?
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