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Some things to like about Sarah Palin
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80.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 01:57 am

 

Quoting peacetrain

 This is what happens in State schools, in England and Wales between the ages of 5 and 16 although 50% of the teaching is about Christianity.  It is taught as "This is what ´x´ believes. This is a festival celebrated by ´y´.  This is how ´z´ worships."  It is educatin rather than instruction.

 

 Yes. I based my idea on the education I have received in the first 3 years of highschool in the Netherlands. The lesson is not called ´religion´ or anything. It is called something that can be translated as ´View on life´. The latter 3 years of that education consisted of some more philosophical point of view, with introduction of persons as Freud, reading the little prince, and thinking about things as abortion and euthansia.

 

An education instead of instruction, that is what I tried to say!!

81.       alameda
3499 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 01:59 am

 

Quoting TrainStation

 we are talking about a potential life, about a future human being.

 

 Ummm....so you now admit it is a "potential life". You have actually gone fruther than I. I admit it´s a life, but to me it´s not a human life at the zygot stage....

82.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:03 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Yes. I based my idea on the education I have received in the first 3 years of highschool in the Netherlands. The lesson is not called ´religion´ or anything. It is called something that can be translated as ´View on life´. The latter 3 years of that education consisted of some more philosophical point of view, with introduction of persons as Freud, reading the little prince, and thinking about things as abortion and euthansia.

 

An education instead of construction, that is what I tried to say!!

 

 PSHE (Personal, Social and Health Education) and Citizenship are also on the curriculum now.  PSHE covers quite alot of moral/ethical issues.  In High school Religious Education also cover a lot of ethical and moral issues.

 

I understood what you were trying to say, I was supporting it.

83.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:04 am

 

Quoting peacetrain

 

I understood what you were trying to say, I was supporting it.

 

 Yes I know I was just happy that you formulated a sentence I could not find

84.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:26 am

85.       alameda
3499 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:28 am

 

Quoting karekin04

 dictactor or anyone else telling you what is correct and right when it comes to your own body. 

 

 Let´s extrapolate that a bit more....If a zygote is a baby, I wonder at what point will there be check-points to see if a fertilized egg is in a female of possible child bearing age?

 At what point will women be jailed to "make sure" the right decisions are being made? 

 

At what point will there be murder trials for women who miscarried? When will child abuse charges be made against women who don´t "eat right" or have the "right life style"

 

And, yes where are the programs to take care of the humans? Love the life that has no voice, no thoughts....and no possibility to challenge you....forget about them once they are here.

 

86.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:53 am

From lipsticks to mudslicks in US election

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4727621.ece

more on same subject:

 

Palin: wrong woman, wrong message

Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,1290251.story

87.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 04:50 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

 Let´s extrapolate that a bit more....If a zygote is a baby, I wonder at what point will there be check-points to see if a fertilized egg is in a female of possible child bearing age?

 At what point will women be jailed to "make sure" the right decisions are being made? 

 

At what point will there be murder trials for women who miscarried? When will child abuse charges be made against women who don´t "eat right" or have the "right life style"

 

And, yes where are the programs to take care of the humans? Love the life that has no voice, no thoughts....and no possibility to challenge you....forget about them once they are here.

 

 

 +10000 !

88.       Jaymi
22 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 08:34 am

 

Quoting Roswitha

From lipsticks to mudslicks in US election

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4727621.ece

more on same subject:

 

Palin: wrong woman, wrong message

Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
By Gloria Steinem
September 4, 2008
Here´s the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

But here is even better news: It won´t work. This isn´t the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It´s about making life more fair for women everywhere. It´s not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too many of us for that. It´s about baking a new pie.

Selecting Sarah Palin, who was touted all summer by Rush Limbaugh, is no way to attract most women, including die-hard Clinton supporters. Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Clinton. Her down-home, divisive and deceptive speech did nothing to cosmeticize a Republican convention that has more than twice as many male delegates as female, a presidential candidate who is owned and operated by the right wing and a platform that opposes pretty much everything Clinton´s candidacy stood for -- and that Barack Obama´s still does. To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody stole my shoes, so I´ll amputate my legs."
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,1290251.story

 

 

Wow, apparently I missed alot when I went to work!   I think it is good to debate these issues.. not just in our own country but around the world.  The original subject was on a politicians views, and how she may or may not change things for the better or worse, but I think Roswitha is right here.. This is a woman who comes from a privaledged family. Not a poor one, or one that has had to work her way through life.. This is not saying that she has not had hard times, Im sure she has, we all do.  But this article shouts out the "agenda" that McCain had in seeking a woman in the first place.  Kudos!

89.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 12:53 pm

Wow, I admire those "pro-life" activists. Personally, I wouldn´t take the responsibility for other people´s womb. If you want to devoid women of free choice over their own tummies, if you want to bring them down to the level of human incubators, it´s your choice. I think those willing to impose their points of view and systems of beliefs on others should be extra taxed - a national fund paying for unwanted yet not aborted children and giving insurance money for mothers made to keep unwanted preganancies shuld be established. It is easy to to shout "Zygote is a human being" - do more, pay those who you made to follow your way, pay to compensate the stress you put raped women through. Drug addicts will be delighted that they´ll get extra money for their dopes, you´ll be able to tell your neighbours that because of you another disabled child has to wait for death in pain. That´s so generous of you. Makes you better humans.

 

Religion at schools will teach kids being better? lol that´s something new - throughout history religions have caused more deaths than the plague! Give people a reason to differ and they´ll kill each other for it.

90.       libralady
5152 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:21 pm

This is a long thread to read in a short time, so forgive me if I am repeating anyone else, but personally I think this woman is a timebomb!  I would not be voting republican with her standing beside Old McCain, and someone who will most probably end up as president if he wins.  Pro life she may be, and I believe the choice is a personal one, so what happened to her pro-life ideals when it comes to looking after her mongol son? I guess she has palmed him off on to someone else to look after.

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