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Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts
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10.       CANLI
5084 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 03:46 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

 It seems they are "forbidden to take their civil disputes to a secular court" but with the permission of the Beth Din may have the "Arbitration Award. . . enforced by the civil courts".

 

 

 

 This made by the law,or its their rule ?

İ mean,is it in the British law that its forbidden for them to take their civil disputes to a secular court because they already have their own courts,or its by their rules ?

11.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 08:08 pm

 

Quoting libralady

Who do you think Tamikidakika? Muslims (not all I must quickly point out), but those that think they are hard done by in our society who do not like living by the laws of the land they have chosen to live in but want their own rules and laws.

 

Do you think Turkey will be incorporating some of the UK laws to take account of the number of Brits living there? (a tongue in cheek comment, not meant to offend Turks, but just an example)

 

I don`t remember the Muslims` in Britain flooding into the streets and making a riot to have the sharia laws in there.

 

and as we don`t have the sharia rule here, why would we adopt the laws of UK.? That problem seems to be exclusive to you.

 

Congratulations on your new laws btw. Hayirli olsun!{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

12.       libralady
5152 posts
 17 Sep 2008 Wed 12:24 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I don`t remember the Muslims` in Britain flooding into the streets and making a riot to have the sharia laws in there.

 

and as we don`t have the sharia rule here, why would we adopt the laws of UK.? That problem seems to be exclusive to you.

 

Congratulations on your new laws btw. Hayirli olsun!{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 My comment was more on the hypothetical position and not particulary aimed at Turks, just seeking your opinion really. 

 

No I have not noticed riots, just the odd bombing or two.  So once we have Muslims governing themselves under Sharia Law how soon would it be before they want to change our constitution?  I can´t see that if we went to Pakistan for instance, that we would be able to introduce our divorce laws so why should they introduce their laws here in the UK?

 

Please anyone, tell me any country in the World that would allow non-nationals to introduce their own laws?

 

 

13.       libralady
5152 posts
 17 Sep 2008 Wed 12:29 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

 

 The potential repercussion bother me a great deal hence the "!"  As you probably know I am not a religous person fullstop, so do not welcome other religions forcing their laws or beliefes on people who don´t want them.

 

If they want to use this as a method of arbitration between themselves, which I suspect already goes on, then fine, but it should no way enter into our legal system. 

14.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 17 Sep 2008 Wed 01:06 pm

Quote: Tamikidakika

I don`t remember the Muslims` in Britain flooding into the streets and making a riot to have the sharia laws in there.

 

Quote: libralady

No I have not noticed riots, just the odd bombing or two. 

Libra, your reply to Tam´s statement seems to be inferring that the bombs were some kind of method to force the introduction of sharia law in the UK.  I never read about that at the time.  If your remark was some kind of "tongue in cheek remark" then I don´t think it was in good taste.

 

Quote: libralady

non-Nationals

I´m not sure I admire this terminology.  There are very many muslims living in this country who have British passports.  Many from Commonwealth countries were invited to the UK generations ago.  Remember how these countries became part of our Commonwealth. 

 

Quote: libralady

so do not welcome other religions forcing their laws or beliefes on people who don´t want them.

As far as I´m aware, non Muslims will not be subjected to these laws.  As the Beth Din is there for the Jewish community, so Sharia will be there for the Muslim community, should they wish to take advantage of that facility.  I don´t think it will be compulsory for Muslims to use Sharia.

 

Quote: libralady

If they want to use this as a method of arbitration between themselves, which I suspect already goes on, then fine, but it should no way enter into our legal system. 

I haven´t had time to research further , but it´s my understanding that whatever decisions are made have to be ratified by our country´s legal system.

 

Quote:libralady

I can´t see that if we went to Pakistan for instance, that we would be able to introduce our divorce laws so why should they introduce their laws here in the UK?

You are assuming all Muslims are not British citizens.  I should imagine if you became a citizen of another country you would have some say in what goes on there.  That said, I don´t think the "hypothetical" scenario you mention is a good argument.

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