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30.       femmeous
2642 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 03:51 pm

the thread sounds so strange. what if i wrote "TURKSSS! LOOK HERE!"?

 

i dont mind if my country is not known, but it is now very popular thanks to my brother Borat.

31.       Iskenderunli
36 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 04:29 pm

I am an American who long ago lived in Turkey and love it very much.

 

But huge numbers of Americans cannot even identify the states around their own state on a map. In one study 38% of college graduating seniors identified the large country north of the United States as "Delaware".  Huge number of Americans - particularly in the largest cities where the very worst schools are - don´t even know the names of major political leaders of the country.

 

Americans live in a huge country such that they can travel thousands of miles and not approach a national border. That is not true in Europe and in the Middle East. America has many attributes and has been a world leader in many areas of accomplishment, but international curiosity is not one of them for the great masses of Americans.

 

That is unfortunate, but true. Americans, for the most part, do not have to have any knowledge of the rest of the world. Newspapers are dying in America. Television network news is being abandoned for cable stations. Even if every American read a newpaper everyday and watched television news, they wouldn´t learn anything about other countries unless there was some sort of sensational event to report - a plane crash or explosion, flood or earthquake. I recall watching for coverage of the last Turkish earthquake in the American press. It was reported in one or two sentences and if a map was used it was so small that detail was not defined.

 

News reporting in America is awful, but then, its done by news reporters. What do we expect. As one of my heroes once said, "Most people learn to read and wriote in 2nd grade and then they go on to better things."

32.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 04:47 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I agree - it depends on who you ask. Many people do not take an active interest in other countries, but there are also many people who do. News about current events are available but one needs to have an interest in them in order to be motivated to stay current.

 

I don´t think this is different than in any other country. The USA is comparable to Europe in size, is only bordered by 2 countries and isolated by the oceans from the rest of the world - I don´t think it´s surprising that whatever news are happening in Europe are of remote interest to an average person. I also don´t think that an average person, let´s say, in the UK would have an interest in the events in equatorial Africa or SE Asia. I think in general, people care more about things that are in proximity.

 

As far as Turkey, I find that most people I come in contact with are familiar with Turkey - I have not yet met a person that wouldn´t know where Turkey is. There´s a sizeable Turkish population in Chicago where I live - last year I´ve been to 2 really great festivals of Turkish culture, which were well attended and seemed to have generated a good deal of interest - there´s plenty of Turkish restaurants - all of it definitely contributes to how aware people are of this country.

 

I think the average Eurpean is much better educated than the average US citizen. It´´s not something I´m happy to say, but I think it´s true. The US educational system has been going down for years.

 

We have seen a great rise in private and "charter shcools" and the demise of public education. Today I´m amazed at the amount of young university aged people who are not seeking higher education. Many who do get higher education are in reality getting vocational training, rather than a good well rounded education. College is out of the economic capabilities of a great many who would have gone in the past.  For too many, If they do go, they all but become indentured servants to the credit industry....it´s terrible. How can one relax and get educated when this millstone is around one´s neck?

 

 I guess at least knowing something about the food of other nations is a start, but it hardly substitutes for deeper historic & cultural knowledge.

 

33.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:29 pm

 

Quoting alameda

I think the average Eurpean is much better educated than the average US citizen. It´´s not something I´m happy to say, but I think it´s true. The US educational system has been going down for years.

 

I guess at least knowing something about the food of other nations is a start, but it hardly substitutes for deeper historic & cultural knowledge.

 

It may very well be true that an average European is better educated than an average US citizen - and it´s something that will most likely be confirmed by various statistics. I also think that the educational system here leaves a lot to be desired (at least at the primary and high school level, once you get to the graduate (master-level and doctoral-level) education I do believe the situation changes in favor of American schools).

 

However, in my post I was comparing the motivations behind seeking current info about world news. As Iskenderunli said earlier, Americans don´t have to know about the world. At least not as much as their European counterparts. What is happening in Europe does not have an immediate impact on an average American as it would on an average European - the distance between Europe and the USA makes it less of a pressing issue. (And as I´m writing this I hear my American co-workers in the background discussing the situation in Greece lol). So my question is, what would motivate an average American citizen to feel compelled to learn about Turkey? I gave the example of the festivals and resturants as one of the means by which they could get interested in this country and I did not imply that eating kebabs is equivalent to "deeper historic & cultural knowledge". I don´t see not having in-depth knowledge about Turkey to be something to be embarassed about either - I wouldn´t expect a Turkish person to have an in-depth knowledge about, let´s say, Brazil or Canada  (unless they were interested in those countries for whatever reason). Those of us who are interested in Turkey, we are motivated to learn about it. I could hardly expect other people to share my enthusiasm. Why would they?

34.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:32 pm

 

Quoting alameda

I think the average Eurpean is much better educated than the average US citizen. It´´s not something I´m happy to say, but I think it´s true. The US educational system has been going down for years.

 

 Maybe it is the mulled wine, maybe it is the season, but I am LOVING your posts lately alameda lol

35.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:35 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Maybe it is the mulled wine, maybe it is the season, but I am LOVING your posts lately alameda lol

 

 I believe alameda is putting mushrooms in the mulled wine again!  {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

36.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:44 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I don´t see not having in-depth knowledge about Turkey to be something to be embarassed about either - I wouldn´t expect a Turkish person to have an in-depth knowledge about, let´s say, Brazil or Canada (unless they were interested in those countries for whatever reason).

 

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

37.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:48 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

 

 Tami.....don´t make me cancel your snow globe order!{#lang_emotions_you_smartass}

38.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:50 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

 

I´ll have to take your word for it, I haven´t done a survey between neither Turks nor Americans. My point is, I wouldn´t have that expectations of them, as I don´t expect an average American to have in-depth knowledge about Turkey.

 

I think we disagree somewhat in your second point. I don´t think it´s embarassing to not have an in-depth knowledge about Turkey. I do think it´s somewhat embarassing to not know anything at all. People should know something about everything and everything about something, in my humble opinon. 

39.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:54 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Tami.....don´t make me cancel your snow globe order!{#lang_emotions_you_smartass}

 

ok, for the sake of snowglobe, I agree with everyone here no matter what they say!{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

40.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 06:01 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

ok, for the sake of snowglobe, I agree with everyone here no matter what they say!{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 Awww....I knew you had a sweet side afterall!  {#lang_emotions_angel}

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