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Atatürk
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 03:15 pm |
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...indeed, Catwoman, thank you so much for the links! ...most interesting in my opinion! 
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 04:05 pm |
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as this topic is to speak about attaturk
i want to say the opion of arabs and muslums in all muslum contries except turkey about him ( i know maybe all my turkish friends may get angry with me as they see him as the father of turk)
here in egypt if u ask some one or any one about him he will say :the angre of god upon him....
here all muslums consider him a very bad person who made bad think he distroy the islamic collection and made the islamoc contry into many small weak contries
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 04:44 pm |
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Quoting yusuf  : as this topic is to speak about attaturk
i want to say the opion of arabs and muslums in all muslum contries except turkey about him ( i know maybe all my turkish friends may get angry with me as they see him as the father of turk)
here in egypt if u ask some one or any one about him he will say :the angre of god upon him....
here all muslums consider him a very bad person who made bad think he distroy the islamic collection and made the islamoc contry into many small weak contries |
So, yet again, religion is the problem. It is not about the country, or the man's achievements, it is about religion and power? Offfffffff ya 
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 04:55 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x:
So, yet again, religion is the problem. It is not about the country, or the man's achievements, it is about religion and power? Offfffffff ya |
Still.. Yusuf said something that draws attention. I think as the Ottoman people probably thought the same about the İslam that time as the Egyptians nowadays still do, that this means that the changes came through by the usage of a lot of violence. It must have been a hard time for a lot of people. If you ask me, it is not only gold that is shining in his biography.
Nevertheless I hung the Turkish flag with picture of Atatürk on it that Narlıdere Belediyesi gave me on my balcony yesterday. Because though it probably wasnt that fun to live in the time Atatürk changed and developed the country, the changes were probably for the best.. cos look what has become of Türkiye
By the way, that last quote is very impressive. Wonderful.
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 05:10 pm |
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Wow, such an interesting thing you said Esther. We talked about something very similar in my ethics class last week. The question is - what is the right thing to do - to respect people's desires (to do something harmful to themselves, or not do something that is good for them) or to impose on them the things that they don't realize that are good for them.
It's such a controversial question and so hard to answer clearly.
However, I admire Ataturk for his mind, talent, ideas. I'm not exactly happy about the bloodshed that he caused. But then again, it was wartime and I'm scared to think what Turkey would be like if it wasn't just for this one man - Ataturk.
The reason why Muslims hate Ataturk is because he secularized Turkey and got rid of religious power.
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 05:12 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: However, I admire Ataturk for his mind, talent, ideas. I'm not exactly happy about the bloodshed that he caused. But then again, it was wartime and I'm scared to think what Turkey would be like if it wasn't just for this one man - Ataturk.
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This is why I hung out that flag after all
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 07:37 pm |
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Atatürk may well be the greatest leader of the 20th century, of any country in the world.
It was suggested that maybe history, or his people have forgotten about him, because of the lack of response in this thread. But what can you say about this great man? There is too much to supply in a single thread. No people in the world revere their leader the way the turks revere Atatürk.
"I don't ask you to fight today, I ask you to die today."
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 07:52 pm |
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Quoting yusuf : here in egypt if u ask some one or any one about him he will say :the angre of god upon him....
here all muslums consider him a very bad person who made bad think he distroy the islamic collection and made the islamoc contry into many small weak contries |
This is nonsense first of all. Most arab countries chose to live under British rule as opposed to Ottoman rule during the 1800's. The fall of the Osmans happened over the course of one hundred years. The fall of the Osman Empire cannot be blamed on Mustafa Kemal. The Young Turks are as much to blame as anyone for the empire, but you also have to blame the padişa's themselves for ineffective governing. The fate of the Osman Empire was sealed long before WWI and its alliance with Kaiser Wilhelm and the Germans.
Ataturk saved his land, he saved his people. By the end of World War I, the plan was to tear apart what is now Turkey and divide it amongst the Russians, Greeks, French, British among others. Turkey would have been only a small nation in central Anatolia. Without Istanbul. Without Izmir. Without any of the coastal cities on the Agean or Mediterranean Seas.
Again I say, no one man is more responsible for the well being and destiny of his people than Ataturk.
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11 Nov 2006 Sat 08:07 pm |
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@ Keith: thanks for this information, I did not know that part of history.
@ yusuf: it is nonsens - I agree with Keith - to say that ALL muslims hate Ataturk. As if all muslims feel and think the same. Haven't you heard about the great differences in the several movements of islam? No bigger difference between a member of muslim brothers and an Aleviet (not to mention all the other sorts).
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 11:59 am |
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I find it amazing that even when Atatürk is criticized we get little response from turkish members.This seems to back up my original thoughts
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12 Nov 2006 Sun 12:25 pm |
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Quoting Joey: I find it amazing that even when Atatürk is criticized we get little response from turkish members.This seems to back up my original thoughts |
What are those original thoughts Joey?
We know who he is? The fact is there are people who love him (me included) and there are those who don't (we know them well). What's the point of exchanging a tit for tat?
He is THE BEST THING ever happened to Turkish nation.
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