General/Off-topic |
|
|
|
|
|
Turkish Men!
|
| 120. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 02:41 am |
|
Alameda, of course I think about the "whole" and who said anything about TRUE professionals being saints?
Every time you join the "majority vote" alameda, you perpetuate stereotypes and myths. You take the "middle road" and think you are being tolerant and wise, but all you do support industries like this, which makes millions of pounds for organised crime, or you defend regimes where there are no equal rights. You use examples which are exceptions, not rules.
Do you know that I have never been called a "feminist" until I joined this site, but people like you made me realise what a male dominated world this REALLY is and women who support it perpetuate it.
I am lucky enough to live in a country where I am not seen as a feminist. My views are no different to most men. Coming to this site feels like stepping back 100 years (sometimes 1000 years.
You just keep on supporting those "old ideals" that you value so highly, and keep taking the "popular" easy view. You are doing a great job....
|
|
| 121. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 02:59 am |
|
Quoting AEnigma III: Alameda, of course I think about the "whole" and who said anything about TRUE professionals being saints?
Every time you join the "majority vote" alameda, you perpetuate stereotypes and myths. You take the "middle road" and think you are being tolerant and wise, but all you do support industries like this, which makes millions of pounds for organised crime, or you defend regimes where there are no equal rights. You use examples which are exceptions, not rules.
Do you know that I have never been called a "feminist" until I joined this site, but people like you made me realise what a male dominated world this REALLY is and women who support it perpetuate it.
I am lucky enough to live in a country where I am not seen as a feminist. My views are no different to most men. Coming to this site feels like stepping back 100 years (sometimes 1000 years.
You just keep on supporting those "old ideals" that you value so highly, and keep taking the "popular" easy view. You are doing a great job.... |
Who said I support it!!!?????????? You see what you want. I simply supplied some facts that you obviously are having a hard time accepting.
|
|
| 122. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:06 am |
|
Quoting alameda: Who said I support it!!!?????????? You see what you want. I simply supplied some facts that you obviously are having a hard time accepting. |
You support it by saying things like "Anyone who does something for money appreciates the money they get for the service they perform, right?".
You make men feel OK about going to visit a prostitute again and drive a nail in the coffin of there ever being an end to this horrible industry which supports slavery, child abuse, drugs and illegal weapons.
|
|
| 123. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:20 am |
|
Quoting CANLI:
Anyway,i dont see your name is ELIBRODY ,is it ?!
And i dont see that she is handicapped,or weak,or anything so she cant talk for herself...is she ?!
SO,İn fact...its NONE of your buisness !
Actually i was going to help her to show her point as she said we understood it wrong.
But here you are came for her rescue like a night in a shining armor!
But your armor is your insults !
Before you criticize people,watch yourself!
|
This is a really nice post actually Canli..Well done!!
he, coming to rescue her is a kind of act you see in almost all Turkish man. Somehow we/turkish man believe that women are in need of our help. The belief that they can not protect themselves, which is rooting from the idea that men are the ultimate protector of women and the man is not equal woman, is a generic disease for Turkish men.
You caught it very well. 
|
|
| 125. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 06:42 am |
|
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: Who said I support it!!!?????????? You see what you want. I simply supplied some facts that you obviously are having a hard time accepting. |
You support it by saying things like "Anyone who does something for money appreciates the money they get for the service they perform, right?".
You make men feel OK about going to visit a prostitute again and drive a nail in the coffin of there ever being an end to this horrible industry which supports slavery, child abuse, drugs and illegal weapons. |
Read carefully, I wrote: "Anyone who does something for money appreciates the money THEY GET for the service they perform, right?". I appreciate the salary I get have negotiated for and am paid, you do, most who work are appreciative of their pay. (The key is we are able to negotiate, accept or refuse,even though we probably would more) This is very different than women who are trafficked for prostitution do not get paid for their work. They are victims.
This has nothing to do with the morality of prostitution, that is another matter. This is to do with one getting the compensation one has freely negotiated for.
But one has to realize there are some who do it willingly and are successful, such as "The Mayflower Madam" Then there were the grand
Courtesans
of yesteryear who had considerable status, and there are women who enjoy sex and give it away for free, or even pay for it. These are all separate issues and should be dealt with each on their own merits.
I think you have confused human trafficking with prostitution. I deplore any type of slavery, which is what human trafficking is. It is in all areas from the chocolate we eat to garments we wear and more.
Child slave labor revelations sweeping China
SHANGHAI: Su Jinduo and Su Jinpeng, brother and sister, were traveling home by bus from a vacation visit to Qingdao during the Chinese New Year when they disappeared.
Cheated out of their money when they sought to buy a ticket for the final leg of their journey home, they were taken in by a woman who offered them warm shelter and a meal on a cold winter night, and then later a chance to earn enough money to pay their fare by helping her sell fruit.
Chocolate
There is a surprising association between chocolate and child labor in the Cote d'Ivoire. Young boys whose ages range from 12 to 16 have been sold into slave labor and are forced to work in cocoa farms in order to harvest the beans, from which chocolate is made, under inhumane conditions and extreme abuse. This West African country is the leading exporter of cocoa beans to the world market. Thus, the existence of slave labor is relevant to the entire international economic community. Through trade relations, many actors are inevitably implicated in this problem, whether it is the Ivorian government, the farmers, the American or European chocolate manufacturers, or consumers who unknowingly buy chocolate.
Victoria's Secret, slave Labor
Workers are allowed just 3.3 minutes to sew each $14 Victoria's Secret women's bikini, for which they are paid four cents. The workers' wages amount to less than 3/10ths of one percent of the $14 retail price of the Victoria's Secret bikini
And when workers protested a speed up demand? Management had six of the workers arrested.
|
|
| 126. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 11:36 am |
|
Quoting alameda: This has nothing to do with the morality of prostitution, that is another matter. This is to do with one getting the compensation one has freely negotiated for. . |
You missed my point too! I am not talking about the morality of prostitution. I really dont care if a woman decides to make money out of men by selling her body. However, as I keep trying to say, the sad fact is the the MAJORITY of prostitutes are not the ones making the money - they are "managed" by men, who make BILLIONS out of prostitution.
Quoting alameda: But one has to realize there are some who do it willingly and are successful, such as "The Mayflower Madam" Then there were the grand of yesteryear who had considerable status, and there are women who enjoy sex and give it away for free, or even pay for it. These are all separate issues and should be dealt with each on their own merits |
Again, you quote the minority to make it justifiable for men to continue supporting this "trade".
Quoting alameda: I think you have confused human trafficking with prostitution. . |
Have I? Here is a nice link from your own US Department of State which will educate you about this issue.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
"Prostitution and related activities—including pimping and patronizing or maintaining brothels—fuel the growth of modern-day slavery by providing a façade behind which traffickers for sexual exploitation operate."
"Prostitution is inherently harmful. Few activities are as brutal and damaging to people as prostitution. Field research in nine countries concluded that 60-75 percent of women in prostitution were raped, 70-95 percent were physically assaulted, and 68 percent met the criteria for post traumatic stress disorder in the same range as treatment-seeking combat veterans and victims of state-organized torture."
This hardly fits in with the courtesan image you keep throwing back at me, does it?
Please read this brief regarding the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill in the UK and quotes the UN Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights Aspects of Trafficking in Persons….â€it is rare that one finds a case in which the path to prostitution and/or the person’s experience with prostitution does not involve, at the very least, an abuse of power and/or an abuse of vulnerability.
http://www.chaste.org.uk/public_documents/CJI_Briefing_Doc_CARE_CHASTE_001.pdf
When you have read it you will see that your links regarding courtesans is, frankly, ridiculous.
Thank you for your links regarding other kinds of slavery and child labour, particularly regarding consumer goods. I spent 5 years working with Chinese factories on behalf of five major retail chains in the UK , who would not import goods unless the factories adopted standards and working conditions equivilent to our own BS standard (it is sad to see that high profile US companies like Victoria’s Secret do not adopt the same standards, and I hope they were prosecuted as you DO have a law regarding this), so it is a subject dear to my heart, but quite unrelated to the subject we were discussing I think.
|
|
| 127. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:41 pm |
|
Quoting AEnigma III: Alameda, of course I think about the "whole" and who said anything about TRUE professionals being saints?
Every time you join the "majority vote" alameda, you perpetuate stereotypes and myths. You take the "middle road" and think you are being tolerant and wise, but all you do support industries like this, which makes millions of pounds for organised crime, or you defend regimes where there are no equal rights. You use examples which are exceptions, not rules.
Do you know that I have never been called a "feminist" until I joined this site, but people like you made me realise what a male dominated world this REALLY is and women who support it perpetuate it.
I am lucky enough to live in a country where I am not seen as a feminist. My views are no different to most men. Coming to this site feels like stepping back 100 years (sometimes 1000 years.
You just keep on supporting those "old ideals" that you value so highly, and keep taking the "popular" easy view. You are doing a great job.... |
how come im not so skilled like you? 
a brilliant post!
|
|
| 128. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:48 pm |
|
Quoting AEnigma III: Alameda, of course I think about the "whole" and who said anything about TRUE professionals being saints?
Every time you join the "majority vote" alameda, you perpetuate stereotypes and myths. You take the "middle road" and think you are being tolerant and wise, but all you do support industries like this, which makes millions of pounds for organised crime, or you defend regimes where there are no equal rights. You use examples which are exceptions, not rules.
Do you know that I have never been called a "feminist" until I joined this site, but people like you made me realise what a male dominated world this REALLY is and women who support it perpetuate it.
I am lucky enough to live in a country where I am not seen as a feminist. My views are no different to most men. Coming to this site feels like stepping back 100 years (sometimes 1000 years.
You just keep on supporting those "old ideals" that you value so highly, and keep taking the "popular" easy view. You are doing a great job.... |
|
|
| 129. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:57 pm |
|
My original comment was regarding elibrody's comment:
"It's not the best business ever but trust me prostitutes do not complain about the money they get "
You have turned this into her supporting human trafficking, which her comment did not support.
Has that been what she meant, it would have been worded differently...."prostitutes are do not complain about the money paid" The key here is "the money THEY GET".
I realize you like to argue for the sake of argument, however let's not waste time on semantics. I'm pretty sure she does not support any type of human trafficking, nor do you or I.
|
|
| 130. |
16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:04 pm |
|
Quoting alameda: My original comment was regarding elibrody's comment:
"It's not the best business ever but trust me prostitutes do not complain about the money they get " |
Yes you did say that Alameda, and I replied telling you why this statement was wrong. Are you not going to reply to my last post to you regarding this? Or has it finally convinced you?
|
|
|
