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Turkish Men!
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:04 pm |
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Quoting alameda: My original comment was regarding elibrody's comment:
"It's not the best business ever but trust me prostitutes do not complain about the money they get " |
Yes you did say that Alameda, and I replied telling you why this statement was wrong. Are you not going to reply to my last post to you regarding this? Or has it finally convinced you?
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:05 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: But just we have to be a bit realist while trying to understand diversities of each other.... |
Thanks MRX but frankly I have had enough of understanding your particular diversities...
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:09 pm |
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For Alameda's comment.
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: This has nothing to do with the morality of prostitution, that is another matter. This is to do with one getting the compensation one has freely negotiated for. . |
You missed my point too! I am not talking about the morality of prostitution. I really dont care if a woman decides to make money out of men by selling her body. However, as I keep trying to say, the sad fact is the the MAJORITY of prostitutes are not the ones making the money - they are "managed" by men, who make BILLIONS out of prostitution.
Quoting alameda: But one has to realize there are some who do it willingly and are successful, such as "The Mayflower Madam" Then there were the grand of yesteryear who had considerable status, and there are women who enjoy sex and give it away for free, or even pay for it. These are all separate issues and should be dealt with each on their own merits |
Again, you quote the minority to make it justifiable for men to continue supporting this "trade".
Quoting alameda: I think you have confused human trafficking with prostitution. . |
Have I? Here is a nice link from your own US Department of State which will educate you about this issue.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
"Prostitution and related activities—including pimping and patronizing or maintaining brothels—fuel the growth of modern-day slavery by providing a façade behind which traffickers for sexual exploitation operate."
"Prostitution is inherently harmful. Few activities are as brutal and damaging to people as prostitution. Field research in nine countries concluded that 60-75 percent of women in prostitution were raped, 70-95 percent were physically assaulted, and 68 percent met the criteria for post traumatic stress disorder in the same range as treatment-seeking combat veterans and victims of state-organized torture."
This hardly fits in with the courtesan image you keep throwing back at me, does it?
Please read this brief regarding the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill in the UK and quotes the UN Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights Aspects of Trafficking in Persons….â€it is rare that one finds a case in which the path to prostitution and/or the person’s experience with prostitution does not involve, at the very least, an abuse of power and/or an abuse of vulnerability.
http://www.chaste.org.uk/public_documents/CJI_Briefing_Doc_CARE_CHASTE_001.pdf
When you have read it you will see that your links regarding courtesans is, frankly, ridiculous.
Thank you for your links regarding other kinds of slavery and child labour, particularly regarding consumer goods. I spent 5 years working with Chinese factories on behalf of five major retail chains in the UK , who would not import goods unless the factories adopted standards and working conditions equivilent to our own BS standard (it is sad to see that high profile US companies like Victoria’s Secret do not adopt the same standards, and I hope they were prosecuted as you DO have a law regarding this), so it is a subject dear to my heart, but quite unrelated to the subject we were discussing I think.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:16 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: My original comment was regarding elibrody's comment:
"It's not the best business ever but trust me prostitutes do not complain about the money they get " |
Yes you did say that Alameda, and I replied telling you why this statement was wrong. Are you not going to reply to my last post to you regarding this? Or has it finally convinced you? |
AEnigma.....as I said before, this is not a debate about the good or morality regarding prostitution, it is about semantics.
I'm not wish to get into a debate on prostitution, although it is a very huge and complicated topic. For me, it's hard to imagine why any woman would willingly and in good emotional health choose such a profession, but that is not the current debate, although it seems you would wish it so.
elibrody's command of the English language is limited. I feel she has been unfairly picked on due to a weakness in her command of English. Her comment has been twisted to mean something she has not said.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:19 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting MrX67: But just we have to be a bit realist while trying to understand diversities of each other.... |
Thanks MRX but frankly I have had enough of understanding your particular diversities... |
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:21 pm |
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Alameda as I have said before, this is not a debate about morality.
You cannot make sweeping statements about prostitution being a fair deal between two people - IT IS NOT. You also cannot make sweeping statements that prostitution has nothing to do with human trafficking - IT DOES (as your own Department of State acknowledges).
Even now, you make another sweeping statement as you wonder how women can choose such a profession - if you would care to read the links I sent you you will see that, in fact, a VERY HIGH majority of women do not choose this as a profession or do it willingly.
"The vast majority of women in prostitution don’t want to be there. Few seek it out or choose it, and most are desperate to leave it. A 2003 study first published in the scientific Journal of Trauma Practice found that 89 percent of women in prostitution want to escape. And children are also trapped in prostitution—despite the fact that international covenants and protocols impose upon state parties an obligation to criminalize the commercial sexual exploitation of children."
With regard to Elibrody's comment, it has not been twisted. It is clear she holds the same (naive) view as you that it is a mutual agreement between two people - one for gratification and the other for money.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:26 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: And children are also trapped in prostitution—despite the fact that international covenants and protocols impose upon state parties an obligation to criminalize the commercial sexual exploitation of children."
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this is very sad 
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:28 pm |
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aenigma,
maybe in some cultures and countries it is smth normal? 
and you are just  ?
its a waste of time.
some people still live in the ape age.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:38 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: aenigma,
maybe in some cultures and countries it is smth normal?
and you are just ?
its a waste of time.
some people still live in the ape age. |
YOU live in ape age?
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:39 pm |
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Aenigma said: You cannot make sweeping statements about prostitution being a fair deal between two people - IT IS NOT.
That is NOT what I said. Please do not twist my words.
Aenigma said: You also cannot make sweeping statements that prostitution has nothing to do with human trafficking - IT DOES (as your own Department of State acknowledges).
Well I am not the Department of State and I have my own thoughts and ideas. That is not what I said, that's your interpretation. Any service/product that is profitable is subject to hijacking and exploitation.
Aenigma said: "Even now, you make another sweeping statement as you wonder how women can choose such a profession - if you would care to read the links I sent you you will see that, in fact, a VERY HIGH majority of women do not choose this as a profession or do it willingly."
Actually I have read the links previously and have posted similar links myself. I question how anyone can choose such a profession...but SOME do.....as in your post "VERY HIGH majority of women do not choose"....which means a small minority do!
If you want to start a thread about prostitution and all it entails, start one. It has a very long and interesting history across the world's cultures
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:44 pm |
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I give up! Keep holding your views based on your "small minorities" and I hope you do it with a clear conscience.
I dont care about this topic's history? Does it help any of the exploitation of today? Dream on you silly woman...
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